PSNI : Allowing crimes to take place.

McSlaggart

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"Police insist that removing flags is not their responsibility after a group of south Belfast residents demanded PSNI officers took action over the issue."

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/not-our-job-says-psni-after-city-residents-seek-action-over-flags-36133053.html

I can understand the PSNI position in not wanting to spend their time taking down flags. This would be a waste of valuable policing resources.

What I do not understand is why they do not stop the putting up of flags on major roads. This requires the use of major machinery and the diversion of road traffic.

I think in order for the PSNI to do this it has to be one of implement of Zero tolerance in relation to the nature of the flag.
 


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"Police insist that removing flags is not their responsibility after a group of south Belfast residents demanded PSNI officers took action over the issue."

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/not-our-job-says-psni-after-city-residents-seek-action-over-flags-36133053.html

I can understand the PSNI position in not wanting to spend their time taking down flags. This would be a waste of valuable policing resources.

What I do not understand is why they do not stop the putting up of flags on major roads. This requires the use of major machinery and the diversion of road traffic.

I think in order for the PSNI to do this it has to be one of implement of Zero tolerance in relation to the nature of the flag.
They would only get suckered into confrontations with Loyalist groups that would quickly escalate into riots and political fall out

The whole idea is to damp down confrontations with anyone and maintain at least a veneer of Normality

- at least by NI standards anyway.... :?
 

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They would only get suckered into confrontations with Loyalist groups that would quickly escalate into riots and political fall out

The whole idea is to damp down confrontations with anyone and maintain at least a veneer of Normality

- at least by NI standards anyway.... :?
The PSNI do not need to get into confrontations with anyone. They simply film the putting up of flags and inform those taking part that they will get prosecuted later.

The people who supply the equipment needed such as telescopic suppliers can be informed that their equipment is being used for an illegal purpose and that they will need to inform the PSNI of who has rented the equipment.
 

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At least McSlaggart does his bit for the environment.

He is recycling old posts and this time using a link from September 2017.
Another OP that definately deserves the ZOO.

Must try harder.
 

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The PSNI do not need to get into confrontations with anyone. They simply film the putting up of flags and inform those taking part that they will get prosecuted later.

The people who supply the equipment needed such as telescopic suppliers can be informed that their equipment is being used for an illegal purpose and that they will need to inform the PSNI of who has rented the equipment.
Agree.

Just send the culprits a €1,000 fine in the mail, rising to €5,000 if they fail to pay up.

Afterall they are loyal to the half-crown more than the crown ;)
 

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September 2017 ? Time for the zoo.
SBRAF submitted these questions to the PSNI under the FOI Act in September 2017. Their late response is recorded below.
Request 1 How many people have been arrested or cautioned for hanging/displaying/putting up any flags in South Belfast in: 2015, 2016, and 2017 (so far)?
Request 2 How many arrests or cautions have been carried out on anyone attempting to remove flags in South Belfast in: 2015, 2016, and 2017 (so far)?
Request 3 How many complaints have been received by PSNI in relation to any flags in South Belfast in: 2015, 2016, and 2017 (so far)?
PSNI Response x 3
Your request for information below has now been considered. In respect of Section 1(1)(a) of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (FOIA) I can confirm that the Police Service of Northern Ireland does hold the information you have requested however it is estimated that the cost of complying with your request for information would exceed the “appropriate costs limit” under Section 12(1) of the Freedom of Information Act 2000.
Appropriate costs info:
The estimate must be reasonable in the circumstances of the case. The ‘appropriate limit’ is currently £600 for central government and £450 for all other public authorities including PSNI.
SBRAF Comment:
Unsurprisingly, we did not get the information we sought. SBRAF again challenges the PSNI arm's length stance on this sectarian & intimidating issue. It has become apparent that the PSNI will not step up to the plate and has no interest in supporting our community efforts to address this ongoing attack on our shared and inclusive spaces. It is a remarkable position to adopt; the PSNI, despite being a 'community police force', won't act in the interest of the community nor will they support community efforts to help themselves.

SBRAF submitted these questions to the PSNI under the FOI Act in September 2017. Their late response is recorded below.
Request 1 How many people have been arrested or cautioned for hanging/displaying/putting up any flags in South Belfast in: 2015, 2016, and 2017 (so far)?
Request 2 How many arrests or cautions have been carried out on anyone attempting to remove flags in South Belfast in: 2015, 2016, and 2017 (so far)?
Request 3 How many complaints have been received by PSNI in relation to any flags in South Belfast in: 2015, 2016, and 2017 (so far)?
PSNI Response x 3
Your request for information below has now been considered. In respect of Section 1(1)(a) of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (FOIA) I can confirm that the Police Service of Northern Ireland does hold the information you have requested however it is estimated that the cost of complying with your request for information would exceed the “appropriate costs limit” under Section 12(1) of the Freedom of Information Act 2000.
Appropriate costs info:
The estimate must be reasonable in the circumstances of the case. The ‘appropriate limit’ is currently £600 for central government and £450 for all other public authorities including PSNI.
SBRAF Comment:
Unsurprisingly, we did not get the information we sought. SBRAF again challenges the PSNI arm's length stance on this sectarian & intimidating issue. It has become apparent that the PSNI will not step up to the plate and has no interest in supporting our community efforts to address this ongoing attack on our shared and inclusive spaces. It is a remarkable position to adopt; the PSNI, despite being a 'community police force', won't act in the interest of the community nor will they support community efforts to help themselves

https://www.facebook.com/southbelfastresidentsagainstflags/
 
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What IS becoming clear is that Unionist/Loyalist remnants of the RUC STILL very much control the PSNI and dictate and forulate it's policy. The PSNI are the state facilitators for the annual Orange Order/UVF/UDA Orange hate fest as they collude with Loyalist terrorists to put up arches and flags all over the North. The PSNI has also obstructed the North's Police Ombudsman in investigating collusion and is destroying vital evidence in historical British State crimes in the North. It is no surprise that the little support it had within Nationalist areas has disappeared while Catholic recruitment is falling at an alarming rate within the PSNI.
 

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All police forces permit a certain amount of criminal activity, e.g. turning blind eyes to snitches acting the bollex and allowing a certain level of drugs to hit the streets to stop strung out addicts creating even more issues!
 

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All police forces permit a certain amount of criminal activity, e.g. turning blind eyes to snitches acting the bollex and allowing a certain level of drugs to hit the streets to stop strung out addicts creating even more issues!
I would agree with you on the inability for police to deal with all criminal activity as its the task of society not just the police. The issue is allowing the society in areas to change thus facilitating more criminal activity.

""These 'loyalists/paramilitaries' were trying to take over the community-run bonfire and erected paramilitary flags in the area for the first time ever with the aim to intimidate and frighten residents," Mr McMahon said."

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/loyalist-thugs-appear-to-be-untouchable-claims-bangor-hammer-attack-victim-36438022.html
 

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Speaking of the PSNI and their tolerance of crime, watch this space one of the most notorious police protected Republican drug dealers luck has ran out tonight
 

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Probably not just the drink .
"The PSNI has been urged to act in a bid to prevent a "breach of the peace" after tricolours were erected in Coleraine town centre.

The flags were put up in the town centre at the Bridge and in the nearby Waterside area on Wednesday night and in the early hours of Thursday morning.

DUP MP Gregory Campbell said the erection of the flags has the potential to cause a breach of the peace over St Patrick's weekend festivities."
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dups-gregory-campbell-urges-police-action-over-coleraine-tricolours-35537815.html

You see Unionists can demand that flags should be taken down.
 


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