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McSlaggart

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The Department for Infrastructure, which owns the land, said it "does not approve of or support the unauthorised use of its property including public highways, walkways and verges for the building of bonfires".

The department added that it "will proactively manage bonfire sites on its land by removing unsuitable material when there is clear community support and when advised it is safe to do so by PSNI"

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/safety-concerns-over-bonfire-near-play-park-that-has-been-hijacked-by-uvf-37015486.html

Can we not simply photograph the people who build the bonfires and make it public that if they are lit the people who took part in the building process will be taken to court?
 


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The Department for Infrastructure, which owns the land, said it "does not approve of or support the unauthorised use of its property including public highways, walkways and verges for the building of bonfires".

The department added that it "will proactively manage bonfire sites on its land by removing unsuitable material when there is clear community support and when advised it is safe to do so by PSNI"

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/safety-concerns-over-bonfire-near-play-park-that-has-been-hijacked-by-uvf-37015486.html

Can we not simply photograph the people who build the bonfires and make it public that if they are lit the people who took part in the building process will be taken to court?
Is there an offence committed in building a bonfire?
 

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Is there an offence committed in building a bonfire?


Do you have to act stupid and dopey in every comment?


Have you given any thought whatsoever for the young children, disabled and folk with serious lung diseases?
 

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Do you have to act stupid and dopey in every comment?


Have you given any thought whatsoever for the young children, disabled and folk with serious lung diseases?
To arrest people you need an offence in the UK. ( you can't just shoot people like in America). So what is the offence in building a bonfire ?
 

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To arrest people you need an offence in the UK. ( you can't just shoot people like in America). So what is the offence in building a bonfire ?
There are environmental issues to start with. You can't go around burning stuff anymore. It's not 1969.
 

Newrybhoy

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There are environmental issues to start with. You can't go around burning stuff anymore. It's not 1969.
That's a fair point but would be a civil offence as opposed to a criminal offence. Prosecuting children in a civil court isn't going to be in the public interest given they ain't going to have any money to pay a fine.
 

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That's a fair point but would be a civil offence as opposed to a criminal offence. Prosecuting children in a civil court isn't going to be in the public interest given they ain't going to have any money to pay a fine.
Have their parents no control over them?

Do their parents actually give a damn about them?

Most of this could be solved if the parents were up to the job of parenting, which they clearly are not.
 

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If the department 'doesn't approve' then have the material removed, this isn't reocket science, Dublin City Council often removes bonfire material in October. Nowhere else in the world has this issue, because it is very simply solved.
 

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Trespassing, illegal dumping, vandalism.
Trespasssing and fly tipping are civil offences.

By vandalism I assume you mean criminal damage? This could apply to the tarmac a fire was built on or any property damaged by the fire. Again proving who was responsible would be the trick. The person that built it who committed no damage or the person who lit it which would be in the dark no doubt with his face covered. Or they'd get a 6 year old to do it who couldn't be prosecuted anyway.

It's a job for Stormont to legislate for when it reconvenes. New laws required if they are to be controlled.
Be
 

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If the department 'doesn't approve' then have the material removed, this isn't reocket science, Dublin City Council often removes bonfire material in October. Nowhere else in the world has this issue, because it is very simply solved.
Its just pandering to louts.

They claim to be British, but UK Bonfire Nights (Guy Fawkes) are massively regulated and totally subservient to the Fire dept.

They are also tremendous good family fun, fireworks, food, and big charity drives.

The rubbish in the North havent a clue.
 

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What chance is there for dictating terms on bonfires, a custom established over decades if not centuries, when Political nationalism have said that simple border technology (already in existence too) and customs posts wouldn't last and this pandering to thuggery goes right to the chief in the south?
 

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What chance is there for dictating terms on bonfires, a custom established over decades if not centuries, when Political nationalism have said that simple border technology (already in existence too) and customs posts wouldn't last and this pandering to thuggery goes right to the chief in the south?
The laws exist they dont have to be invented.

Middle-class Protestants, who would be eager to attend a British Bonfire Night, are too f(ucking scared of the rabble to insist that the laws are enforced.
 

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Have their parents no control over them?

Do their parents actually give a damn about them?

Most of this could be solved if the parents were up to the job of parenting, which they clearly are not.
Parents are too busy sticking illegal flags outside their children's primary school, according to Ray. Can't be two places at once.
 

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Parents are too busy sticking illegal flags outside their children's primary school, according to Ray. Can't be two places at once.
They wont deal with the basics, will they?

Your kids are feral, because you cant be arsed to be a responsible parent.

The middle-class law-abiding Protestants cant be arsed to offer any leadership to the feral Protestant underclass.

Really, they are just useless.
 

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They wont deal with the basics, will they?

Your kids are feral, because you cant be arsed to be a responsible parent.

The middle-class law-abiding Protestants cant be arsed to offer any leadership to the feral Protestant underclass.

Really, they are just useless.
While undergoing that rant I thought of the many schoolchildren with their o'neil gaelic tops. All indoctrinated and dressed with divisiveness regalia by their parents. Taught to play slapball, a game their neighbours are forbidden from playing.
 

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What chance is there for dictating terms on bonfires, a custom established over decades if not centuries, when Political nationalism have said that simple border technology (already in existence too) and customs posts wouldn't last and this pandering to thuggery goes right to the chief in the south?
This is an issue that is being address in "nationalist" areas. Having a Bonfire is not a unique Unionist tradition and dealing with it is something we all must take action on.

No one is on about stopping Bonfires but updating the tradition to make it safer and more fun for those taking part.
 

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said that simple border technology (already in existence too) and customs posts wouldn't last and this pandering to thuggery goes right to the chief in the south?
????

What simple technology will fix the border???
 

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While undergoing that rant I thought of the many schoolchildren with their o'neil gaelic tops. All indoctrinated and dressed with divisiveness regalia by their parents. Taught to play slapball, a game their neighbours are forbidden from playing.
Kids in sportswear taking part in sport annoys you?
That's pretty fukked up.
 


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