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Psychiatrists will not take part in abortion panel- what now for the Govt ?


cyberianpan

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Psychiatrists have said they will not act as Ireland's social police :

Psychiatrists will not take part in abortion panel - RTÉ News
He said psychiatrists would not act as judges, tasked with assessing whether a woman was feeling suicidal.

He said asking psychiatrists to test the truth of women's stories was extremely abusive.
here is the video link

Is this a reasonable stance by psychiatrists ? Does it effectivley scupper the government's proposals ?

Also FG now deeply divided over the issue Fine Gael TDs at "war" over abortion - Independent.ie

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Bill

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they act as judges when the section people
 
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This is all pointless. If the government had any sense they would introduce abortion on demand for any woman within the first four weeks of pregnancy. We wouldn't then have the situation of having panels of doctors making life changing decisions for vulnerable women. Madness.
 

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Fair go to them and I don't see how they could have taken part in such a star-chamber like nonsense.

It would be unethical and against their code of practice as I pointed out on the Halappanavar thread a few days ago.

Not a subject where much humour is available but you have to quietly laugh at the gothic mentality this policy proposal revealed at Government level.
 

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sure do, but I'm not required to sit on a mental heath commission which reviews cases where people have been detained involuntarily , two psychiatrists are

EDIT : that was in reply to Des Q
 

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This is going to have detrimental effects on FG / Labour relations....

Could this be their jumping point ?
 

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sure do, but I'm not required to sit on a mental heath commission which reviews cases where people have been detained involuntarily , two psychiatrists are
Mental health commissions judge a person's actions and words, based on the premise that the person is telling the truth. These abortion commissions would be to ascertain whether the woman was lying.

Psychiatrists are not lie-detectors. Though maybe that will be the next bright idea by someone in the Dept of Health? :roll:
 

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Who assesses women in Britain to assess whether their pregnancy is a threat to their mental well being? - the most common reason given.
 

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sure do, but I'm not required to sit on a mental heath commission which reviews cases where people have been detained involuntarily , two psychiatrists are
That is a very good point.

Psychiatrists claiming that they can't sit in judgement is contradicted by the fact that they do sit in judgement in other spheres where psychiatry and where the clinical opinion of a psychiatrist applies.

Perhaps the psychiatrists don't want to sit in judgement on the suicide risk issue because, like we heard at the Oirechtas hearings, abortion is not a cure for suicide?
 

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How can psychiatrists judge?

Extract from Report:
"We asked her if she was feeling suicidal and she said, "Yes". Therefore we conclude that she is probably feeling suicidal."
 

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I guess the next effort will be to retain some notion of a panel of independent experts.

Fr John Waters
Fr David Quinn
Sister Breda O'Brien
Reverend Mother John Bruton
Sister Frankenstein
A random restaurant reviewer.

Y'know. Independent, like.
 

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Mental health commissions judge a person's actions and words, based on the premise that the person is telling the truth. These abortion commissions would be to ascertain whether the woman was lying.

Psychiatrists are not lie-detectors. Though maybe that will be the next bright idea by someone in the Dept of Health? :roll:
the role of mental health commissions are as follows
Be notified of every decision to detain a patient involuntarily and every decision to extend the duration of a period of involuntary detention in an approved psychiatric centre
Appoint review tribunals to automatically review the detention of every involuntary psychiatric patient
Establish a panel of consultant psychiatrists to carry out independent medical examinations
Arrange for a scheme for granting free legal aid to each patient whose involuntary detention is being reviewed by a tribunal
Advise the Minister for Health on a range of issues, including standards in approved psychiatric centres
Maintain a register of approved psychiatric centres
Make regulations relating to the use of constraints on patients
Develop guidelines, protocols and standard documentation in areas of detention, treatment, patient information, etc., and prepare codes of practice for those working in the mental health services.
 

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The government (sic) should just get on with it and pass the law.

Politically the quicker they do it the less stick they will get.
 

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This is all pointless. If the government had any sense they would introduce abortion on demand for any woman within the first four weeks of pregnancy. We wouldn't then have the situation of having panels of doctors making life changing decisions for vulnerable women. Madness.
I'd make it 8 weeks. 4 is just one missed period. but we might be arguing semantics.

Can you imagine how politicised the appointment of psychiatrists to the "abortion board" would become.

it would make appointments to the supreme court of the US seem like town council elections...

Abusive, unworkable, cruel and worse than the current situation, which we could attribute to cowardice, this would be attributed to malice.
 

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If there is no way to accurately judge the risk of suicide then it must be eliminated as a justification for abortion given that the unborn has equal right to life.
 

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It has taken the Irish government over 20 years to even make shapes at addressing this issue.

By the time they'd get around to settling on a process children will be grown in bags in garden centres.

With some langer outside marching up and down with a sign saying 'Dis is not natur'l'.
 
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