Public Debate this Friday: Are the Irish left divorced from republicanism?

Tiocfaidh_Armani

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Public debate and forum examining the Irish left and its seemingly divorced state from the national question.

The panel consists of Clare Daly TD and Tommy McKearney with it being held in the Teachers Club on Friday, June 16th @ 8pm.

All welcome to participate.

 


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There is a distinct difference between republican ideals and frothing at the mouth nationalism.
 

Catalpast

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The Irish Left (so called) are divorced from Reality

- let alone 'Republicanism'!:shock:
 

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The Irish left are pension chasers, frauds and none of my policies in my back yard,,

sums these clowns up,,
 

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I think the Blanketmen had the right idea a decade or so ago, when they tried to organize Public Meetings around the Dublin suburbs, but I wouldn't attend any debate with a Trot on the panel, so I wouldn't attend one way or the other.
 

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Unfortunately it isn't just republicanism that the Irish left are divorced from but basic common sense.
 

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unfortunately the left in Ireland is disjointed and divided over relatively small issues, James Connolly was a republican and socialist, he believed that the national question was inseparable from class struggle as a defeat for imperialist capitalism and establishing a democratic socialist republic. Not quite divorced in my view.

Don't think the left is divorced from common sense, you'd have all probably said the same about Corbyn last week but the message seemed reasonable with many "sensible" voters voting labour
 

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What i find baffling is how anyone could describe themselves as republican nationalist and be in favour of mass immigration that will destroy Irish culture and identity, something that a true nationalist would do everything to protect.
 

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Modern Lefties
- free handouts for lazy sponging knackers
- multiculturalists and pro immigration , flooding the country with men to keep lefty sisters all happy.
- reward women for getting pregnant with sailors at age 15 with a free house in ballymun
- trades unionists , troublemakers in the workplace
- high taxes on working people
- crippling high taxes on small business entrepreneurs
- equal opportunities forcing premier league teams to employ one legged diabetic elderly blind klingons onto their team to reach 'quotas'
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A lot of the hard left stuff you get from the likes of Clare Daly and her crew is a Marxist-inspired socialism, that is blind to nationalism. It's all about the class struggle, and they see patriotism as just a ruse used to manipulate young working class people into maintaining the hegemony of the capitalist elite.

Big problem with our hard left is they have no vision- it's just all protest against this, fight against that. There's an opening there for sensible left-wing politics, but there's a dearth of people who represent such a thing.

If I could, I would keep this brand of Irish left-wing politics away from republicanism. Regardless of what you think of Sinn Féin, at least they are pragmatic, unlike the left that we have down here.
 

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Public debate and forum examining the Irish left and its seemingly divorced state from the national question.

The panel consists of Clare Daly TD and Tommy McKearney with it being held in the Teachers Club on Friday, June 16th @ 8pm.

All welcome to participate.

Screw Republicanism. How about debate on whether the Irish Left is divorced from reality.
 

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Republicanism internationally is the property of the RIGHT
Only in Ireland do the Left think they own it
 

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as some one who grew up as a working class person who held left wing views and agreed with sinn fein on their aim of a united ireland i have been sidelined by both

seems the left have turned against the native working class if they compain about competition from the four corners of the world, which suits capital to a tee

seems sinn fein did not want to unite ireland for the irish people but create an industrial estate where anyone who was willing to work cheaply for the business class was welcome

there is no party for honest working class people who value their family community culture or country

certainly not in ireland
 

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The Irish left is divorced from Leftism too.

True socialists and Marxists (when they existed) were open and honest with the people. It wasn't all about populism and promising the sun, moon and stars knowing that you'll never be in government.

There was also a decency and respect in debate that is sorely lacking now.

I occasionally read the social media pages of the AAA** and PBP** and they're just a maelstrom of insults and deeply personalized abuse. Female politicians from FF, FG and Labour come in for particularly vile attacks and the moderators don't seem to care.

**or whatever they're called today
 

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Republicanism internationally is the property of the RIGHT
Only in Ireland do the Left think they own it
Interesting that you say that. Not sure I would agree though.

However all the things that are good about the Left are negations of Republicanism.
 

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The Irish left is divorced from Leftism too.

True socialists and Marxists (when they existed) were open and honest with the people. It wasn't all about populism and promising the sun, moon and stars knowing that you'll never be in government.

There was also a decency and respect in debate that is sorely lacking now.

I occasionally read the social media pages of the AAA** and PBP** and they're just a maelstrom of insults and deeply personalized abuse. Female politicians from FF, FG and Labour come in for particularly vile attacks and the moderators don't seem to care.

**or whatever they're called today
Trots don't count.

The Hard Left in Ireland is the Workers Party of Ireland and the Communist Party of Ireland. The Soft Left is Sinn Fein and the Green Party.
 

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There is a distinct difference between republican ideals and frothing at the mouth nationalism.
To be a republican is to respect popular sovereignty.
To respect popular sovereignty in Ireland is to respect the fact that the Irish people support a united sovereign independent Ireland (aka the national question).
Therefore, to be a republican in Ireland requires support of the national question.
 

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I don't like the Irish left for their anti family policies. That is support for Abortion, Divorce and Euthanasia.
 

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Can this be with a protest march to secure freedom for Ibrahim. His only crime​ was loyalty... loyalty to a women beating, wife raping , girl cutting, gay killing movement.

It promises to be a good discussion.
 

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as some one who grew up as a working class person who held left wing views and agreed with sinn fein on their aim of a united ireland i have been sidelined by both

seems the left have turned against the native working class if they compain about competition from the four corners of the world, which suits capital to a tee

seems sinn fein did not want to unite ireland for the irish people but create an industrial estate where anyone who was willing to work cheaply for the business class was welcome

there is no party for honest working class people who value their family community culture or country

certainly not in ireland
Business needs workers. Is it a shock to anyone that it's only since big business got the keys to he Castle after the fall of the Soviet Union that polices became focussed on getting extra worker/consumer​ units in. Even Corbyn is now saying that the policies were about bending business and Harming the workers.

That gives permission to say that big business has a goal and it's not too benefit workers. It gives permission to say no FGM is not okay and no a husband can rape his wife.

Revolutionary stuff.
 


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