Public reps should take a pay cut

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As we approah the doomsday buget, should our Public Representavies take a pay cut to. I suggest 10%.
 


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Put some figures on it. What do you think TDs, ministers, and the Taoiseach should be paid?
 

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10% is nowhere near enough.

Make all expenses vouched.

Ministers pay = €100k
Taoiseachs pay = €120k
TD's pay= €70k
Senators pay= €45k
Presidents pay = €120k

Nobody in the public or civil service or employed by the state should be paid more than €100k.
 

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As we approah the doomsday buget, should our Public Representavies take a pay cut to. I suggest 10%.
It should have been Cowen's first decision when he became Taoiseach. And at the time it should have been at least one-third. But no, he blew it and hasn't had an once of economic authority since.
 

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10% is nowhere near enough.

Make all expenses vouched.

Ministers pay = €100k
Taoiseachs pay = €120k
TD's pay= €70k
Senators pay= €45k
Presidents pay = €120k

Nobody in the public or civil service or employed by the state should be paid more than €100k.
And cut public representative numbers so no more politicins than 100 (and that is being generous). Have the referendum to bring this about. Also, the number of local authorities should also be cut with a corresponding cut in local politicians. No more than 400 should exist.
 

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They should take a 10% pay cut and so should retired public representavies.
10%? 10%?.........They should take a hell of a lot more than that. Those who earn the most from the public purse should take the biggest cuts. 10% is NOTHING when you consider their current salaries and expenses. They should cut 50% - it won't happen of course but that is what they should do.

I don't see any reason why a TD shouldn't be on the avergae industrial wage. SF TD's can do it, Joe Higgins of the Socialist Party does it as an MEP and used to do it as a TD - why can't the rest of them?

Also, they can cut the Dail by 50% and close the Seanad.
 

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Public Representavies take a pay cut to, I suggest 10%.

I agree with the OP - they should be cut to 10% of what they are now.
 

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And cut public representative numbers so no more politicins than 100 (and that is being generous). Have the referendum to bring this about. Also, the number of local authorities should also be cut with a corresponding cut in local politicians. No more than 400 should exist.
There is no political will to make the changes.
 

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10% is nowhere near enough.

Make all expenses vouched.

Ministers pay = €100k
Taoiseachs pay = €120k
TD's pay= €70k
Senators pay= €45k
Presidents pay = €120k

Nobody in the public or civil service or employed by the state should be paid more than €100k.
Broadly agree but I think the Taoiseach's and President's salary is too much; should be €100k, with ministers paid €85k. Public service should be public service and not a way to enrich oneself.

Also strict laws on political corruption should be brought in, with the bar for proving it set low and the penalties draconian.
 

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The problem is not with TDs pay, which is linked to the salary of a Principal Officer. The life of a TD is a 16-hour 7 days a week life, and they earn the €100k or so that get. The problem lies with opaque and generous allowances and salaries for Ministers that are far too high.

The issue of TDs pay is in any event trivial. The cost of Anglo would pay the salaries of 166 TDs, each earning €100k pa, for nearly 4000 years!

Anglo, Anglo, Anglo! If you want to get angry, get angry about Anglo!
 

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10% is nowhere near enough.

Make all expenses vouched.

Ministers pay = €100k
Taoiseachs pay = €120k
TD's pay= €70k
Senators pay= €45k
Presidents pay = €120k

Nobody in the public or civil service or employed by the state should be paid more than €100k.
Those figures would seem to be about the correct level of remuneration, it's unlikely many TDs would refuse to serve as ministers and particularly as Taoiseach because they believed they were being underpaid for the extra work involved as office holders, it would be an interesting test of their commitment to public service if some TDs refused elevation to ministerial office for that reason.
 

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Why only 10% when they claim expense's 3 time the average industerial wage! and get paid for turning up for work, thought that's why they ran in the election? to go to work on our behalf, sorry that's me just being silly. but the annual 750e for phones is the best and the dodgy invoices!
 

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Closes the talking shop that is the Seanad
All TDs €75 max no extra for commiteees etc.
Taoiseach and president 100k max
No civil servant or semi state CEO should earn over 100K for the next 5 years
 

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As we approah the doomsday buget, should our Public Representavies take a pay cut to. I suggest 10%.
I suggest that with Budget day approaching any political party put forward the necessary legislation to replace that which makes the pay of Public reps protected by the constitution, in the same way judges are. At no point was it ever envisioned that our politicians incomes would enjoy the same constitutional immunity from review that the judiciary have. but that is in fact what has happened.

If Sinn Fein have any ability what so ever in running the affairs of state, they should make a move. If FG or Labour are serious about reform and their party members are willing to actually pitch in, then they should prepare the legislation to remove the legal blocks that protect Politicians pay and pensions.

Lets not beat around the buch here; legislation is needed. Without it all calls for pay-cuts fall on deaf ears as the current enormous levels of Public rep pay and perks are protected. All we ever achieve is that a still serving high level public figure 'forgoes' a portion of their pension, which they can write off against their tax bill. So they lose nothing but get the kudos that comes from apparently making a sacrafice. in reality they have done no such thing.

As a political website, surely P.ie members can get past this regular piece of theatre and actually realise that real reform must be in the form of legislation and is desperatly needed. Anything else is pandering to political slight of hand.
 

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10% is nowhere near enough.

Make all expenses vouched.

Ministers pay = €100k
Taoiseachs pay = €120k
TD's pay= €70k
Senators pay= €45k
Presidents pay = €120k

Nobody in the public or civil service or employed by the state should be paid more than €100k.
Personally, I believe that TDs should be paid more than Ministers.

TDs are exposed to a lot more unrecoupable costs than Ministers, and Ministers don't have a lot of outgoings because they're generally stuck in an office or a car all the time. If we don't pay TDs well, we just make it easier for rich peole to buy votes (by outspending incumbents).

I do think Ministers should be paid decent pensions, however, in order to keep them in the system after they move out of their Cabinet post.

Also, people should realise that a system of fully vouched expenses would probably see the expenses bill go up.

My bill would be

TD's pay= €110k
Ministers pay = €100k (+ decent pension and parachute)
Taoiseachs pay = €100k
Presidents pay = €70k
Senators pay= €40k
 

goosebump

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I suggest that with Budget day approaching any political party put forward the necessary legislation to replace that which makes the pay of Public reps protected by the constitution, in the same way judges are. At no point was it ever envisioned that our politicians incomes would enjoy the same constitutional immunity from review that the judiciary have. but that is in fact what has happened.
It has never been suggested that political pay is protected by the Constitution.

It has been suggested that pensions rights for ex-Ministers cannot be removed within a sitting Dail term, but that problem goes away as soon as the next Dail is constituted.
 

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Also, people should realise that a system of fully vouched expenses would probably see the expenses bill go up.
CRAP!!!!! and you know it. The likes of your favorite Goddess charging a snickers bar and haircuts to the taxpayer should be stopped. Proper expenses like those that apply in the real world are all that should be allowed
 


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