Public sector creaming it still



brughahaha

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so once again the CSO shows the PS is the best paid sector of the economy and once again the apologists are on trying to obfuscate.
Indeed its one of the more noticeable things on this site that the PS posters dont really like facts and figures ... they more go for the sweeping statements and ad hominem attacks


But then when all studies , comparisons and indicators show that the PS enjoy a pay premium, security of tenure, pensions and holidays the rest could only dream of never mind the "allowances", facts and figures really aren't of any use :rolleyes:
 

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Careful now, you may hurt yourself and have to depend on the excellent medical care of those same public service workers that you despise soo much.
.. you are saying the HSE provides excellent medical care? :confused:
 

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Yet again we are supposed to believe that the unemployed don't exist and are not all from the Private Sector.



With Several hundred thousand private sector workers now on the dole queue, whats the average earning? When private sector workers are laid off, they still exist. Their lot is still the lot of many private sector workers. The trend to date has been to ignore completely the lot of the unemployed private sector 'worker class' and wheel them out only when it suits SIPTU and their misery can support the a Public Sector pay claim. Its a pretty sick specticle.
The head of the Croke Park Implementation Body said on radio yesterday that there are 13,000 fewer staff in the PS than a year ago. Is it your contention that not one of those 13,000 are on the dole?

How is the lot of an unemployed person improved by making more people unemployed?

How can you expect us to believe that you care about unemployed people when you're calling for job losses?
 

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kettle, pot, black?
Where?

Or is that a study I missed that proved the PS dont enjoy a pay premium...... cos if it is its a first

As to the 13,000 less employees in the PS , how many were retirements , how many were contract workers , and how many were full time permanent and pensionable employees

I know the figure for the last category 000
 

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I have 3 family members who retired from the public service in the past year, all in their early 50's, all running for the exits to collect their fat tax-free lump sum before the govt slaps a tax on it. I think that sort of thing explains a lot of the reduction in ps numbers.
 

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I have 3 family members who retired from the public service in the past year, all in their early 50's, all running for the exits to collect their fat tax-free lump sum before the govt slaps a tax on it. I think that sort of thing explains a lot of the reduction in ps numbers.
That this lump sum is still being paid is a total disgrace and a shocking indictment of the Government's lily livered attitude to the Unions.
 

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For several days, the French government has been working to break the resolve of the trade unions.

Flying pickets have blocked access to all 12 of the country's oil refineries.

The reopening of Grandpuits will ease the pressure on the capital for now. But, towards the end of a second week of rolling strikes, about 2,500 petrol stations are still out of fuel.
i have no doubt that there will be significant reductions in public service numbers and i am not saying that such reductions are not justified, what makes my blood boil is the huge division that has been created in the working class. it is as simple as this be you a public or private sector worker, the middle class will pay and ultimately disappear!

we can waste our time bitc!ing or we can learn from the french!
 

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.. you are saying the HSE provides excellent medical care? :confused:
Under the most trying of circumstances the public sector Health workers provide excellent medical care.

The HSE provides excellent cover and excuses for a government and a minister for health who seems to be absent (or is that absente?) from her duties.
 

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yup, prison officers are just jumped up security guards except private sector security gets around ten euro an hour and crap pension and private sector prison officers and garda get 30euro an hour and great pensions etc.
And they love their go slows and work to rule activities when their pay or conditions are threatened.
 

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In its naked form, government is not evil; it is merely a self-interested parasite, like a NAMA bank lobbyist or an overpaid Public sector worker. Its main value comes from its ability to elbow out other parasites. Of course, the typical citizen is no saint either. Instead, he is merely a parasite in the larval stage. If he is lucky enough or cunning enough, he could grow into a parasite himself.

The citizen, generally, doesn’t mind being lied to and robbed – just so long it is by someone he elected. Or at least by someone whom tradition or local connivance put in place. He does not usually resent his homegrown government, even though it routinely costs him a substantial part of his output. On the contrary, he grows so fond of it he even dons his helmet from time to time to protect it.

The basic business model of government is to keep order, protect campaign contributors and lure supporters with the promise of other peoples’ money. The game plan of the typical citizen is even simpler: to be on the receiving end, not the paying end. Over time, more and more of them get into position. And the whole society becomes more costly, and more corrupt.

In Ireland it is now clear that the majority of society has become in effect one giant ward of the state.
But the role of government is neither prosperity nor plausibility…but protection of the pests and parasites. They will keep paying them off and carrying them along…until the IMF moves in.

The IMF could well be the best pest control business money can't buy.
 

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Are these the figures that say your have had a pay rise(once you ignore the pay cuts)?

It would be funny if it were not so serious. I might as well tell someone that has just had their arm chopped off that they escaped injury. Except for the arm. It is the same mentality that leaves the bank money off the record as "promisory notes". It is just simple bollox.



I mean these guys actually charge a fee for this information and they dont even bother their arse subtracting deductions from them. It is no wonder we are bankrupt morally as well as financially.
 

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So you want the state to impose a 100% tax on PS pension lump sums. Would you advocate a similar tax for private sector workers?
You can have my one as I know I will never see it anyway. Just return my pension payments and we can call it quits. I will take 80 cents in the euro even at this stage. A promise from Eire to pay money in a few decades is probably not even worth that.
 

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Indeed its one of the more noticeable things on this site that the PS posters dont really like facts and figures ... they more go for the sweeping statements and ad hominem attacks


But then when all studies , comparisons and indicators show that the PS enjoy a pay premium, security of tenure, pensions and holidays the rest could only dream of never mind the "allowances", facts and figures really aren't of any use :rolleyes:
A fact like we had a pay rise?

That is not a fact it is a lie. That is not a "fact" or a "figure" it is simple USSR style lies. Just keep repeating it until the soft minded believe you.
 

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I can't wait till IMF come in. They'll put manners on champagne socialists like Begg and O'Connor
You'd be surprised at the amount of people I meet daily who (if they aren't in the PS) would actually like it some foreign entity could take over and cut the PS back to the minimum - such is the level of disillusionment with the govt in this matter.

I'd hazard a guess this view is prevalent all over the country.

The country badly needs a political party that repesents the private sector worker.
 

Expatriot

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You'd be surprised at the amount of people I meet daily who (if they aren't in the PS) would actually like it some foreign entity could take over and cut the PS back to the minimum - such is the level of disillusionment with the govt in this matter.

I'd hazard a guess this view is prevalent all over the country.

The country badly needs a political party that repesents the private sector worker.
Dream on, look at the figures. You will have your hole taxed off you and the PS and SW people will still be cut to the bone. And we will still be bankrupt. The money is not there to be cut. The annual net pay bill is about 12 billion. We need 15 billion. Do the maths.
 

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Bad people, ye're all bad people for sniping at the poor public sector workers.

Don't ye know they're all only getting the minimum wage. :mad:
 


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