Public Sector Increments Scam

Pabilito

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Irish Public Sector employees receive periodic pay increases called “Increments” regardless of their performance.

However they don’t consider these pay increases to be pay increases because these guaranteed pay increases are based on aging and getting older, nothing else …


Yes, all you have to do is get older to automatically get paid more pay!!.. plus on top of that you’re state guaranteed pension also increases in line with your automatic “increments” as you age without you having to do anything or contribute anything extra.

Is this a fair and democratic means of disbursing tax payers monies?..
 


wexfordman

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Wasting your time, none of this matters, resigned to it at this point.
 

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Irish Public Sector employees receive periodic pay increases called “Increments” regardless of their performance.
No they don't.
...plus on top of that you’re state guaranteed pension also increases in line with your automatic “increments” as you age without you having to do anything or contribute anything extra.
No it doesn't.
 

che schifo

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Nope.

"Regardless of performance" you say.

Get a 1 or 2 on PMDS and it's no increment for you.
How often does that happen, as a rough percentage?
 

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Very few. They are all excellent ;)
 

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Here is how increments work - the going rate for a fully competent experienced ps worker, is the rate at the top of the scale that they are on. When they start out, they are at the bottom of that scale, but as the years go by they become better at that job and closer to the optimal performance level. That is the logic behind the increment.

The alternative is to have no scale and have to pay the top rate (or close), or to sit every single public servant down every year and assess what level if any of increase or decrease they would deserve. That would cost a fortune to administer.
 

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Here is how increments work - the going rate for a fully competent experienced ps worker, is the rate at the top of the scale that they are on. When they start out, they are at the bottom of that scale, but as the years go by they become better at that job and closer to the optimal performance level. That is the logic behind the increment.

The alternative is to have no scale and have to pay the top rate (or close), or to sit every single public servant down every year and assess what level if any of increase or decrease they would deserve. That would cost a fortune to administer.
I don't have a problem with performance related pay in the PS, get rid of collective bargaining where someone not pulling their weight gets the same annual increment compared to someone who is very good at their job.

It's quite common in the private sector.
 

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Here is how increments work - the going rate for a fully competent experienced ps worker, is the rate at the top of the scale that they are on. When they start out, they are at the bottom of that scale, but as the years go by they become better at that job and closer to the optimal performance level. That is the logic behind the increment.

The alternative is to have no scale and have to pay the top rate (or close), or to sit every single public servant down every year and assess what level if any of increase or decrease they would deserve. That would cost a fortune to administer.
One would presume that any worker would improve with experience and by default would increase productivity but in the PS if a worker is content with mediocrity they can continue to work to time and not to task and get paid anyhow. That does cost a fortune!
 

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Here is how increments work - the going rate for a fully competent experienced ps worker, is the rate at the top of the scale that they are on. When they start out, they are at the bottom of that scale, but as the years go by they become better at that job and closer to the optimal performance level. That is the logic behind the increment.

The alternative is to have no scale and have to pay the top rate (or close), or to sit every single public servant down every year and assess what level if any of increase or decrease they would deserve. That would cost a fortune to administer.
No it wouldn't. It's how many in the private sector are assssed and increases awarded. Also, why would you need to start at the top Rate?
 

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No it wouldn't. It's how many in the private sector are assssed and increases awarded. Also, why would you need to start at the top Rate?
The increments are the same in the private sector for the same jobs, e.g. nurses ( although the private sector now offers much better pay in the form of "signing on fees")

Increments for nurses are the same all over the world, in recognition of experience. -
 

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One way to resolve the whinge-fest currently going on with the teachers and Guards over the "yellow pack" workers would be for these worthies to forego their increments for a number of years and have them given to their fellow workers, in a gesture of solidarity, until they are brought up to par.
Much better than coming back to the hard pressed real taxpayers with their hands out for more?
 

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There is a valid point in the op in that PS workers typically get pay increases over time that are material whereas many private sector workers have seen pay stagnate for the 2008 to 2013 period.
But it is sufficiently grey to be tough to nail.down .
 

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The increments are the same in the private sector for the same jobs, e.g. nurses ( although the private sector now offers much better pay in the form of "signing on fees")

Increments for nurses are the same all over the world, in recognition of experience. -
Like politicians? Incompetent ministers? Advisers, press secretaries and various other political family members?

Good stuff.
 

nakatomi

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There is a valid point in the op in that PS workers typically get pay increases over time that are material whereas many private sector workers have seen pay stagnate for the 2008 to 2013 period.
But it is sufficiently grey to be tough to nail.down .
Are you saying public sector pay increased in the period 2008-2013?
 

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The increments are the same in the private sector for the same jobs, e.g. nurses ( although the private sector now offers much better pay in the form of "signing on fees")

Increments for nurses are the same all over the world, in recognition of experience. -
I said MANY in the private sector. Private sector nursing I don't believe is a good example as its too close to the public nursing sector. Try something that does not have an equivalency to the public sector. It shouldn't be difficult. I'll start you off, accountants in practice.
 

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I said MANY in the private sector. Private sector nursing I don't believe is a good example as its too close to the public nursing sector. Try something that does not have an equivalency to the public sector. It shouldn't be difficult. I'll start you off, accountants in practice.
?? There are accountants in the public sector - but pay is less than the private sector.

A Dublin hospital is offering nurses up to
 


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