Public Sector Pay Commission report finally published

Benz

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And outlines just how much better off Public Sector workers are compared to the Private Sector, with little justification

Pay commission recommends public servants should make higher pension contributions - Independent.ie

Higher pay
Unrivalled pension
More time off
More 'sick' days
Lump sum payment on retirement
Job security

And yet they're seeking talks to increase or maintain all of the above. Untenable situation. This Government must act.

No wonder we pay 50.5% tax rates at under €34k.
 


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And outlines just how much better off Public Sector workers are compared to the Private Sector, with little justification

Pay commission recommends public servants should make higher pension contributions - Independent.ie

Higher pay
Unrivalled pension
More time off
More 'sick' days
Lump sum payment on retirement
Job security

And yet they're seeking talks to increase or maintain all of the above. Untenable situation. This Government must act.

No wonder we pay 50.5% tax rates at under €34k.
Original report can be downloaded here: http://paycommission.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Report-of-the-Public-Service-Pay-Commission-May-2017.pdf
 

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All you need now is a few CAPITALISED headings and it's a patt-worthy thread ;)
 

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this is gonna be some laugh.

theres already loons in the unions defending pay increases on the pensions based on what your replacements earning and not inflation, sayin its sacrosanct in any discussion on a new deal.

:D :D :D :D

i reckon realitys gonna kick in quick sharp.
 

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Where is patslatt/patslatt1/patslatt to infinity and beyond? YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU!
 

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And outlines just how much better off Public Sector workers are compared to the Private Sector, with little justification

Pay commission recommends public servants should make higher pension contributions - Independent.ie

Higher pay
Unrivalled pension
More time off
More 'sick' days
Lump sum payment on retirement
Job security

And yet they're seeking talks to increase or maintain all of the above. Untenable situation. This Government must act.

No wonder we pay 50.5% tax rates at under €34k.
Jaysus Public Servants are going to be happy if the PSPC are recommending

Higher pay
Unrivalled pension
More time off
More 'sick' days
Lump sum payment on retirement
Job security
 

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Telling us what we already knew.
 

ruserious

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Back to work, lads. My public sector salary needs your taxes.
 

Sister Mercedes

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Why do we always encounter this sort of nonsense. Of course you can compare pay levels against other European countries. The fact they don't just means they don't like the comparisons.

International comparisons were examined, however, the methodological differences in international data outside of the EU and data limitations in EU data, specifically the difference in what was estimated for Eurostat in 2014 and the Census 2016 results, make it difficult to draw definitive conclusions on international earnings comparisons.
 

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And the crap continues. They gave no value to having a secure unsackable job.

Security of tenure has a value. However no satisfactory scientic evidence has been identified that could reasonably be used for assigning to it a specific monetary value. This is consistent with the findings of the Public Service Benchmarking Body in 2007 who considered it inappropriate to apply a further discount in respect of security of tenure.
 

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If public sector pensions are reasonable, let's open them up to the public. I'll happily pay whatever levy PS workers pay for their pension.
 

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Why do we always encounter this sort of nonsense. Of course you can compare pay levels against other European countries. The fact they don't just means they don't like the comparisons.
In fairness Ireland's bizarre tax/public service policy makes it very difficult to compare like-for-like across Europe.

You pay high tax from a low salary and get phuck all for it by way of public services, in fact you get fewer services than people who pay no tax at all.

Bizarrely there's a cause and effect here - the PS get paid so much that tax has to be kept at a high level so PS have to be paid so much...see where it goes?
 

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In fairness Ireland's bizarre tax/public service policy makes it very difficult to compare like-for-like across Europe.

You pay high tax from a low salary and get phuck all for it by way of public services, in fact you get fewer services than people who pay no tax at all.

Bizarrely there's a cause and effect here - the PS get paid so much that tax has to be kept at a high level so PS have to be paid so much...see where it goes?
Do you consider a starting salary of €21K a high salary?
 

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And the crap continues. They gave no value to having a secure unsackable job.
I'd say that you could use the level of redundancies that occurred as a result of the crash to put a very meaningful value on security.

I'd say nearly 1 in 10 private sector jobs were lost during 2008 to 2013 - so you could estimate that security is worth 10% of salary
 

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Do you consider a starting salary of €21K a high salary?
Depends on skills and role/responsibilities and, of course, opportunities.

I started on lower than that (adjusted for inflation) when I started work way back, but had opportunities to trade up every few years.
 

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Why do we always encounter this sort of nonsense. Of course you can compare pay levels against other European countries. The fact they don't just means they don't like the comparisons.
How's your application to be a fruit picker or hotel cleaner going Sister?

Still being turned down for being Irish?
 

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And the crap continues. They gave no value to having a secure unsackable job.
Security of tenure has a value. However no satisfactory scientic evidence has been identified that could reasonably be used for assigning to it a specific monetary value. This is consistent with the findings of the Public Service Benchmarking Body in 2007 who considered it inappropriate to apply a further discount in respect of security of tenure.
With a background of full employment in the economy, one might have a small bit of understanding why the 2007 benchmarking body didn't try too hard to include security of tenure in their calculations.

However, after the mass layoffs in the private sector that kicked off that year and kept going for several more years, it is completely indefensible that this committee should hold such a view in 2017.
 

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Do you consider a starting salary of €21K a high salary?
Depends on the cost of living.

High salaries lead to a high cost of living, leading to further demands for pay rise eventually rendering the entire economy uncompetitive. This will lead to job losses unless you work in a protected sector (and other members of society are forced to subsidise your uncompetive salary).

Main problem here is housing. Unsustainable mortgages and a shortage of supply have put upward pressures on salaries. People look for pay rises, but inevitably most of any pay rises is wasted on the unproductive rent seeking part of society rather then increased productivity.

Now pensions are increasingly unsustainable and sadly our government looks as incapable of addressing this issue as they were/are of addressing the housing issue.
 


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