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Public Service redundancies at last


Sync

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...........How is it costing €110,000 per redundant employee? These numbers seem ridiculous.
 

ruserious

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The cabinet has agreed a €440 million redundancy package for the public service, based on 4,000 redundancies.

It seems this deal will be cost neutral to Ireland inc within 3 years.

Should the number of redundancies being offered be increased since we will be in the black after three years?

Public sector redundancy plan to cost
It's uncomfortable to watch your glee at people losing their jobs just because you have a gripe against them for your short comings.
 

BrightDay

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...........How is it costing €110,000 per employee? These numbers seem ridiculous.
It appears the deal is for a maximum of two year's salary as a lump sum - so I suppose they are working on an an average salary of €55,000
 

True Republican

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So the government plan to reduce numbers in the ps to 282,500 by the end of 2014, big bloody deal, there should be at least 20,000 redundancies this year and a similar number in 2014.
 

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It's uncomfortable to watch your glee at people losing their jobs just because you have a gripe against them for your short comings.
I have no gripe against public sector employees. This is a voluntary scheme so no-one is "losing their jobs" as you suggest.
 

alexmcred

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How in Gods name can a country that is broke afford to pay off an average of €110,000 per employee it's absolutely ridiculous.

Wonder is the civil servant that came up with this package planning on taking advantage of it
 

True Republican

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How in Gods name can a country that is broke afford to pay off an average of €110,000 per employee it's absolutely ridiculous.

Wonder is the civil servant that came up with this package planning on taking advantage of it
Please don't be logical in Paddyland, in Paddyland the attitude is "shure it will be grand".
 

Sync

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It appears the deal is for a maximum of two year's salary as a lump sum - so I suppose they are working on an an average salary of €55,000
That's insane. Utterly insane. If an average salary is €55k and the employee has been there 10 years, the statutory redundancy is €22k. So in that scenario the person's getting 5 times the statutory requirements. It's crazy. It's no way to run a business.
 

Mr. Bumble

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That's insane. Utterly insane. If an average salary is €55k and the employee has been there 10 years, the statutory redundancy is €22k. So in that scenario the person's getting 5 times the statutory requirements. It's crazy. It's no way to run a business.
The package allows for 3 weeks p.a. plus 2 weeks statutory giving a total of 5 weeks p.a. That person would be getting 50k approx.
 

Bleu Poppy

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The cabinet has agreed a €440 million redundancy package for the public service, based on 4,000 redundancies.

It seems this deal will be cost neutral to Ireland inc within 3 years.

Should the number of redundancies being offered be increased since we will be in the black after three years?

Public sector redundancy plan to cost
At last??????????????????????????
 

emulator

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The package allows for 3 weeks p.a. plus 2 weeks statutory giving a total of 5 weeks p.a. That person would be getting 50k approx.
2 + 2 would be more than enough in the current times. It's not as if it's a private company or anything. How many private companies would be giving 3 + 2 in the current climate ?

Maybe this is just the opening shot in the negotiations.... I sincerely hope so anyway.
 

Big Brother

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There is nothing to rejoice about in job losses.

Pay cuts - modest ones - applied at the middle and top would keep everyone in jobs.

With about a third of a million employees out of 1.8m workers one in six workers are PS workers. That is not high by EU standards. Its the pay levels that are the problem.
 

ShoutingIsLeadership

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That's insane. Utterly insane. If an average salary is €55k and the employee has
been there 10 years, the statutory redundancy is €22k. So in that scenario the person's getting 5 times the statutory requirements. It's crazy. It's no way to run a business.
The link says 3 weeks per year, plus statutory, capped at 2 years' pay.

Using your example, that person would get approx 50k, not 110k.
 

Mr. Bumble

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2 + 2 would be more than enough in the current times. It's not as if it's a private company or anything. How many private companies would be giving 3 + 2 in the current climate ?

Maybe this is just the opening shot in the negotiations.... I sincerely hope so anyway.
It's the same package that they offered the last time except people's pensions are not exempt from recent cuts.
 

Sync

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The package allows for 3 weeks p.a. plus 2 weeks statutory giving a total of 5 weeks p.a. That person would be getting 50k approx.
Then where's the rest of the money going? It's monstrously high per person no matter what equation we use.
 

True Republican

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There is nothing to rejoice about in job losses.

Pay cuts - modest ones - applied at the middle and top would keep everyone in jobs.

With about a third of a million employees out of 1.8m workers one in six workers are PS workers. That is not high by EU standards. Its the pay levels that are the problem.
Cutting the numbers employed in the ps as well as pay and pensions would be helpful as well.
 
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