Puerto Rican Day parade organisers upset Irish America

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Bit of a tricky one for Irish Central, which is associated with Sinn Féin. Especially considering the turmoil over what to do in the UK with ISIS supporters and the support shown in the past for Irish Republican terrorism by the likes of Jeremy Corbyn.

When is a Freedom Fighter not a Freedom Fighter? How was the Fraunces Tavern Bombing of 1975 different from any number of IRA attacks on pubs in Ireland and the rest of the UK?

https://www.irishcentral.com/homepage/puerto-rican-bomber-killed-irishman-now-grand-marshal-of-parade



In January of 1975, Joe Connor waited for his father to come home. Connor, his brother, and their Irish immigrant mother were planning to celebrate both of the boys’ birthdays at their New Jersey home. Joe was soon to turn nine; his older brother 11.


But Connor’s father never made it home. In January of 1975, Frank Connor, himself the child of Irish immigrants, was killed in an explosion in downtown Manhattan that turned out to be the work of a Puerto Rican nationalist group called Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional, or FALN.

FALN is back in the news again, following the controversial decision by New York’s Puerto Rican Day parade organizers to honor convicted FALN associate Oscar Lopez Rivera at this year’s march, to be held Sunday, June 11. A growing chorus of critics -- many of them Irish American -- are slamming the decision to celebrate Rivera as a “National Freedom Hero” during the parade.


Irish American New York Police Department Commissioner James O’Neill is among the many law enforcement officials who have decided to boycott the parade because of Rivera.
The article does mention the row over the Saint Patrick's Day Parade and NORAID's Michael Flannery back in the 1980s.
 


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The scene of the murder of fifteen Catholics by British terrorists in McGurks Bar.

 

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Bit of a tricky one for Irish Central, which is associated with Sinn Féin. Especially considering the turmoil over what to do in the UK with ISIS supporters and the support shown in the past for Irish Republican terrorism by the likes of Jeremy Corbyn.

When is a Freedom Fighter not a Freedom Fighter? How was the Fraunces Tavern Bombing of 1975 different from any number of IRA attacks on pubs in Ireland and the rest of the UK?

https://www.irishcentral.com/homepage/puerto-rican-bomber-killed-irishman-now-grand-marshal-of-parade





The article does mention the row over the Saint Patrick's Day Parade and NORAID's Michael Flannery back in the 1980s.
Anything to say about the Dublin and Monaghan bombings in 1974.
 

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Anything to say about the Dublin and Monaghan bombings in 1974.
The OP explicitly poses the rhetorical question how was this different to any other pub bombings in Ireland and the UK.

The OP is clearly questioning the hypocrisy of Irish Americans who generously funded the PIRA/INLA and celebrated their campaigns - yet object & whine to to this day to the same thing happening there.

Perhaps you could just have addressed that concept without the usual Pavlovian whataboutery response in the hope of yet again changing the subject.
 

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I expect the view of US Noraid supporters was that the UK had run a totally undemocratic and unjust regime in a part of Ireland where they supported an artificial majority against the actual majority on the whole island.

Just guessing.
 

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Not at all. This is just another anti-Irish thread and they're always very popular.
Actually, this is essentially a story about Irish Americans. Who are actually Americans, wherever their great, great grandmother may have hailed from.

How you can interpret that as somehow 'anti Irish' Is beyond me.
 

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I expect the view of US Noraid supporters was that the UK had run a totally undemocratic and unjust regime in a part of Ireland where they supported an artificial majority against the actual majority on the whole island.

Just guessing.
It may well be. And they are perfectly entitled to hold that view.

What they don't get to do unchallenged is fund and celebrate PIRA/INLA bombing campaigns and then scream terrorism when someone with another cause they hold equally dearly, plant bombs a bar in new York.
 

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I expect the view of US Noraid supporters was that the UK had run a totally undemocratic and unjust regime in a part of Ireland where they supported an artificial majority against the actual majority on the whole island.

Just guessing.
Partition anywhere is for minorities.
 

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It may well be. And they are perfectly entitled to hold that view.

What they don't get to do unchallenged is fund and celebrate PIRA/INLA bombing campaigns and then scream terrorism when someone with another cause they hold equally dearly, plant bombs a bar in new York.
They would see one as justified because the UK had created the problem and refused to address it except with more violence.

Its not rocket science. Piesters need to step off their high horses and actually consider how violence occurs and how it can be ended. Simply pointing fingers and saying - see you dont like this, but you like that, gets us nowhere.
 

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The OP explicitly poses the rhetorical question how was this different to any other pub bombings in Ireland and the UK.

The OP is clearly questioning the hypocrisy of Irish Americans who generously funded the PIRA/INLA and celebrated their campaigns - yet object & whine to to this day to the same thing happening there.

Perhaps you could just have addressed that concept without the usual Pavlovian whataboutery response in the hope of yet again changing the subject.
Yes and i also question the hypocrisy from anti republican unionists who do nothing but condemn republican violence and ignore all the horrible atrocities they and the British state inflicted on the innocent people of Ireland.
 

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Saw an interview with one of the councilmen who backed this "honour" for Mr. Lopez Riviera, to say the guy didn't have a clue what background this chap had is an understatement.

One man's terrorist, is another man's freedom fighter... that I understand. However, one man's robber.. is still a robber....;)

Something has gone dramatically wrong with things in the USA. Political Correctness is now a bye-word for insane decisions which should not take place.
 

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Yes and i also question the hypocrisy from anti republican unionists who do nothing but condemn republican violence and ignore all the horrible atrocities they and the British state inflicted on the innocent people of Ireland.
We know there was loyalist violence. We know there was collusion. These things are (rightly) discussed at length on here.

But any mention of something like Americans funding bombing campaigns is immediately swamped with whataboutery, ad hom and sneering until the discussion is effectively closed down or diverted to discussing the evil old enemy.

These subjects are equally valid topics for discussion, yet Republican posters would prefer if any ideas of truth & historical inquiry were a strictly one way street, & they're something you time & again claim a moral immunity from.
 
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We know there was loyalist violence. We know there was collusion. These things are (rightly) discussed at length on here.

But any mention of something like U.S. funding of bombing campaigns is immediately swamped with whataboutery, ad hom and sneering until the discussion is effectively closed down or diverted to discussing the evil old enemy.

These subjects are equally valid topics for discussion, yet Republican posters seem to prefer any ideas of truth & historical investigation to be a strictly one way street.
The US state itself has sponsored coups, ruthlessly executed regime changes abroad which went badly wrong, and has not got a great record in respect of non-interference in the domestic affairs of other countries, so I am not surprised that US citizens might undertake a little private enterprise.

The government is the great teacher.
 

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The US state itself has sponsored coups, ruthlessly executed regime changes abroad which went badly wrong, and has not got a great record in respect of non-interference in the domestic affairs of other countries, so I am not surprised that US citizens might undertake a little private enterprise.

The government is the great teacher.
It would be difficult to argue against that.
 

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It may well be. And they are perfectly entitled to hold that view.

What they don't get to do unchallenged is fund and celebrate PIRA/INLA bombing campaigns and then scream terrorism when someone with another cause they hold equally dearly, plant bombs a bar in new York.
I wonder if any of these people thought it was clever to order a drink called the car bomb? Apparently that one disappeared completely after the Oklahoma City bombing....
 

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When is a Freedom Fighter not a Freedom Fighter? How was the Fraunces Tavern Bombing of 1975 different from any number of IRA attacks on pubs in Ireland and the rest of the UK?
It's a pertinent question in itself, but who exactly are you directing the question to? Who exactly are being accused of double standards, all Irish-Americans?
 

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Whataboutery doesn't alter the OP ...
I understood from your OP that you were under the impression that only one group was involved in violence. And that every violent act carried out in the world must be linked to that same group.

Also I fail to see how who the Puerto Ricans decide to select is any business of anyone else.
 


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