Putin proposes Russia-EU union. (may join the euro)

bormotello

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HOWEVER in a meantime Russians tighten up visa rules for EU citizens: Germany criticizes Russia?s ?tightened? visa rules
EU started first and Putin just proofed that both sides can play this game
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/26/world/europe/26russia.html
Konstantin I. Kosachev, chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee in the lower house of Parliament, condemned the proposed ban as “Bolshevik tactics” and said Russia might be forced to “very harshly retaliate” if the proposal went forward.

He said such pressure “could have extremely negative consequences for the entire relationship between Russia and the European Union.” Russia’s Foreign Ministry called the move “direct interference in the domestic affairs of a sovereign state, and open pressure on the judicial system of the Russian Federation.”
 


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Rapprochement between Russia and the rest of Europe is inevitable but monetary union between economically different countries is difficult, as we are seeing now.
 

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Or lets called a Euroasian Union. Can't wait to have a border with North Korea.petunia
 

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That's said by Putin with very serious deliberation. Russia is not only open for business, it's open for very significant economic cooperation, stable treaties and a counter to the feared 'competitive devaluations'.
If Germany merely sees this as 'spoiling our patch , just when we'd nearly taken over the whole shebang', that will be unneccessarily suspicious.
The euro project is being invited to go global.
 

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God Forbid - his lot make FF look clean.
I agree totally. But that said Russia is on the road to reform. Never to the extent that we would be able to share a curreny with them maybe, but enough to allow prefential deals with the ruble.

In a recent thread I pointed out Russias huge global foreign policy shift. They are realigning everything and I might say very favourably towards Europe in both economic and political terms. But they have too. We must not forget that Russian industry took an unmerciful hammering at the outset of this crises. Entire Russian cities revolved around single Soviot style relic factories and they went out like the Christmas lights blowing a fuse.

Medvedev is not leaving or standing aside for Putin to make a comeback. Putin is clever, but he does not have the vision needed to steer Russia on this historic course correction. It is interesting though to see Putin increasingly on board with the plan for Russian reform. I suspect Medvedev is hitting the right cord at home and Russians are happier to feel a bit more like accepted Europeans. Russia is looking to emerge as a serious (and trustworthy) trade partner of Europe, but also part of Europe. They tried everywhere else and found nothing but trouble and cut throat competition. Russia is finally realising the benefits of stabiltiy and co-operation. There may always be tiffs, but it won't involve anyone threatening to deploy pointy missles or fiddle with oil taps.

Democracy could be coming to Russia. Better to have a friendly Bear in the garden than a tetchy one rooting noisely around your shed and pooping in your flowerbeds.
 
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Agree on this.

Russia knows who its enemies are, the West is not one of them despite its attempts at Energy blackmail. There are lots of pressure points with nationalistic sentiment still in Europe but Russia could take a pragmatic approach to this which would resolve them knowing that the quid pro quo of support was there.
 

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Why does Russia have such strict visa rules? It is bad for tourism,and is probably bad pr for their image in the world.

Visas make money, for example if you wanted one within 24 hours it could cost you £150-00, normal costs are £75-00 up to 2 weeks in advance of travel.

Russians like to be able to control who is in and out of their country and goes to the highest level, in recent disputes with BP they excluded the local BP CEO, Bob Dudley, from Russia by not renewing his Visa, he eventually gave up the position.

If for example you were involved with a Russian citizen in a Court dispute in Russia and you were required to appear in person, normal, you might easily find your Visa been revoked by that Russian citizen and you case settled due to your non-appearance.
 

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...the German Right will be salivating at the thought of finishing the job that Hitler started, and finally bringing Russia under Teutonic rule.
Not to mention destroying the US dollar as world reserve currency ( which, by the way, is exactly what Putin is trying to do ).
 

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Neo-nationalist guff. Russia is too immature, and too corrupt. It's basically an attempt to extend the control zone as we wander back towards the cold war. Do you think he'd have the balls to say that to China? No. He's basically boxed in. Keep him there.
 

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Democracy could be coming to Russia. Better to have a friendly Bear in the garden than a tetchy one rooting noisily around your shed and pooping in your flowerbeds.

I like that image.

We are entering a new era, Russia is again slowly on the rise and sees its interests in secure and good relations with Europe. This is unquestionably to our benefit.
 

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We are entering a new era, Russia is again slowly on the rise and sees its interests in secure and good relations with Europe. This is unquestionably to our benefit.
Oh yes, the old continental empires asserting themselves is to Ireland's "benefit"? No, that was historically false, and it'll prove false now. We are actually re-entering an old era that all thought was banished 65 years ago, and it's a very dangerous era.

Russia and China recently declared their alliance to be irreversible.
 

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Lets leave the Euro and join with China.

I for one welcome our new Chinese overlords.
Wow, Ireland can never be independent again? Always has to be a vassal to this empire or that? :rolleyes: As for China being "overlords", have a look at what they're doing to the Congo (former Zaïre) and Zimbabwe.
 

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Wow, Ireland can never be independent again? Always has to be a vassal to this empire or that? :rolleyes: As for China being "overlords", have a look at what they're doing to the Congo (former Zaïre) and Zimbabwe.
Have to stop you right there.

Ireland was never an independant state. When the kings were roaming around, it was nothing but a cluster************************ of disorganisation and barbarians. Along the British and ruled us for hundreds of years. Back in the 20's, we secured some kind of individuality as a nation but lest we forget, this country was so messed up even Calcutta sent us aid money. Along came the 70's and we hopped into bed with Europe who have been sending us money since.

We are British through and through, use their law system etc etc...they never left us.

Besides, we are unsustainable alone. We will forever be a sidecart on a motorbike.
 


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