Putin's Russia is a criminal state: oligarchs, hackers, spooks, Maffia

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The Soviet Union had a disorderly breakup, and in the rush to privatisation, gangster types got state assets

The Russian Mob were always good at capitalism, smuggling and so on, so the former KGB allied more with them, also ex KGB went into seemingly regular business

The oligarchs specialised in all sorts of corporate raiding

Putin was already "compromised" in St Petersburg, and when he reached power he chose to domesticate the Mob & oligarchs, rather than stamp them out

Then of course Russia has very talented cyber criminals, who are co-opted by the FSB/GRU as needed. Russia refuses to ever extradite them

When Putin faces serious opposition (politicians, journalists etc) they die(e.g. Borris Nemstov) or get criminalised (e.g. Nalvany)

Also his "special services" commit assassinations and all sorts of other crimes around the world

What Putin has created/fostered represents a threat to both Russia, and the world

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silovik
Silovik (Russian: силови́к, IPA: [sʲɪlɐˈvʲik]; plural: siloviki, Russian: силовики́, IPA: [sʲɪləvʲɪˈkʲi]) is a Russian word for politicians from the security or military services, often the officers of the former KGB, GRU, FSB, SVR, the Federal Drug Control or other security services who came into power.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Sechin
Igor Ivanovich Sechin (Russian: Игорь Иванович Сечин, born 7 September 1960 in Leningrad, Soviet Union) is a Russian official, considered a close ally and "de facto deputy" of Vladimir Putin.[2] Sechin is often described as one of Putin's most conservative counselors and the leader of the Kremlin's Siloviki faction, a lobby gathering former security services agents.[3]
Moscow Times - The Tragedy of the Age-Old Kremlin-Vor Alliance (Op-ed)
But the corruption still to endemic in the state, and the tight links between criminal, business and political elites, especially at the local level, mean that the major criminals are, unless they arouse the ire of someone higher up the pecking order, pretty much untouchable.
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But аt any time they may be asked — and in Godfather style, this is a request that cannot be refused — for favors in the name of the state. This also applies to the gangsters.

We have seen hackers pressed into service as footsoldiers of cyberwar and espionage. Gangsters charged with assassinating Chechen fundraisers in Turkey. Smugglers “taxed” to provide secret funds for political operations in Europe. The list goes on, as once again the Kremlin turns to criminals as instruments of its rule.
Buzzfeed - From Russia With Blood : 14 UK Deaths

Irish Times - Corporate raiding devastating Russian economy, seminar told

As Galeotti says ...Putin has created Crimintern as the succesor of Comintern: Crimintern: How the Kremlin uses Russia’s criminal networks in Europe | European Council on Foreign Relations

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The Soviet Union had a disorderly breakup, and in the rush to privatisation, gangster types got state assets

The Russian Mob were always good at capitalism, smuggling and so on, so the former KGB allied more with them, also ex KGB went into seemingly regular business

The oligarchs specialised in all sorts of corporate raiding

Putin was already "compromised" in St Petersburg, and when he reached power he chose to domesticate the Mob & oligarchs, rather than stamp them out

Then of course Russia has very talented cyber criminals, who are co-opted by the FSB/GRU as needed. Russia refuses to ever extradite them

When Putin faces serious opposition (politicians, journalists etc) they die(e.g. Borris Nemstov) or get criminalised (e.g. Nalvany)

Also his "special services" commit assassinations and all sorts of other crimes around the world

What Putin has created/fostered represents a threat to both Russia, and the world

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silovik


Moscow Times - The Tragedy of the Age-Old Kremlin-Vor Alliance (Op-ed)


Buzzfeed - From Russia With Blood : 14 UK Deaths

As Galeotti says ...Putin has created Crimintern as the succesor of Comintern: Crimintern: How the Kremlin uses Russia’s criminal networks in Europe | European Council on Foreign Relations

Cyp

Kleptocracy and standover-economics is the staple of surviving ex-Communist countries.


Do you believe China is any different? There, the mafia have uniforms and tanks.
 

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Putin is also the richest man in the World and treats Russian tax revenues like personal monies to be doled out to his mates in return for cash.
 

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There are some recent allegations from a Russian defector to a British channel recently after the Skripal attack, that the Nemstov assassination was not cleared with Putin beforehand, which is why he soon after went missing for a while to clean house. Dont know if thats true or not.

The movie "Leviathan" is very good at explaining the quasi-feudal monarchical system over there. Officials appointed by Putin get away with taking people's property.

[video=youtube;tj0SMgg9Jqg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj0SMgg9Jqg[/video]
 

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Kleptocracy and standover-economics is the staple of surviving ex-Communist countries.


Do you believe China is any different? There, the mafia have uniforms and tanks.
In China there is less reliance on outright criminality...Putin doesn't really control the Maffia/hackers/Oligarchs ...it is a kind of a ...wild ride

Also, mostly, China doesn't have nasty crime networks abroad that do the government's bidding
 

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I am going to go one further than OP and say, Russia is a failed state. Why? Because it has abandoned the rule of law both within and outwith its borders.

When the USSR collapsed there were only two institutions which could get stuff done, so to speak: the KGB and the Mafia. The turning point was at Davos in 1996 when the Mafia decided to asset strip the country: Yeltsin would be elected and then they would replace him with a trusted pair of hands - a not particularly distinguished Chekist, called Putin.

This is where I depart slightly from OP - I dont see Putin himself as much more than a front man. His big-titted macho man boss image was crafted for him by Cambridge Analytica types starting round about 2007. Before then he was a bureaucratic mouse.

Russia essentially melted down its govt and intelligence services into one alloy. From then on the profits from organised crime were going to support the intelligence services and provide black market GDP to the govt and govt individuals. Politicians, mob figures, diplomats, spies - they are all the same thing.

So thats a country that no longer has the rule of law: its loosely organised violent chaos. It cant survive long-term. There is no precedent in history for such a state being able to.
 

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I am going to go one further than OP and say, Russia is a failed state. Why? Because it has abandoned the rule of law both within and outwith its borders.

When the USSR collapsed there were only two institutions which could get stuff done, so to speak: the KGB and the Mafia. The turning point was at Davos in 1996 when the Mafia decided to asset strip the country: Yeltsin would be elected and then they would replace him with a trusted pair of hands - a not particularly distinguished Chekist, called Putin.

This is where I depart slightly from OP - I dont see Putin himself as much more than a front man. His big-titted macho man boss image was crafted for him by Cambridge Analytica types starting round about 2007. Before then he was a bureaucratic mouse.

Russia essentially melted down its govt and intelligence services into one alloy. From then on the profits from organised crime were going to support the intelligence services and provide black market GDP to the govt and govt individuals. Politicians, mob figures, diplomats, spies - they are all the same thing.

So thats a country that no longer has the rule of law: its loosely organised violent chaos. It cant survive long-term. There is no precedent in history for such a state being able to.
Broadly concur, until c 2014 onwards, Putin was not quite on top

However he is now, but yes, he is on top of a heaving mass, so not in full control...Moscow is pretty anarchic these daze

Cyp
 

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I am going to go one further than OP and say, Russia is a failed state. Why? Because it has abandoned the rule of law both within and outwith its borders.

When the USSR collapsed there were only two institutions which could get stuff done, so to speak: the KGB and the Mafia. The turning point was at Davos in 1996 when the Mafia decided to asset strip the country: Yeltsin would be elected and then they would replace him with a trusted pair of hands - a not particularly distinguished Chekist, called Putin.

This is where I depart slightly from OP - I dont see Putin himself as much more than a front man. His big-titted macho man boss image was crafted for him by Cambridge Analytica types starting round about 2007. Before then he was a bureaucratic mouse.

Russia essentially melted down its govt and intelligence services into one alloy. From then on the profits from organised crime were going to support the intelligence services and provide black market GDP to the govt and govt individuals. Politicians, mob figures, diplomats, spies - they are all the same thing.

So thats a country that no longer has the rule of law: its loosely organised violent chaos. It cant survive long-term. There is no precedent in history for such a state being able to.
Autocracy has been going on in Russia for centuries under Tsarist, Communist and now Putinist regimes. It actually can last not least given the sanctions arent as strong as those that brought Iran and North Korea to the table. Only 55% of Russia's trade is with Europe, and maybe less than 5% with the US.
 

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The Soviet Union had a disorderly breakup, and in the rush to privatisation, gangster types got state assets

The Russian Mob were always good at capitalism, smuggling and so on, so the former KGB allied more with them, also ex KGB went into seemingly regular business

The oligarchs specialised in all sorts of corporate raiding

Putin was already "compromised" in St Petersburg, and when he reached power he chose to domesticate the Mob & oligarchs, rather than stamp them out

Then of course Russia has very talented cyber criminals, who are co-opted by the FSB/GRU as needed. Russia refuses to ever extradite them

When Putin faces serious opposition (politicians, journalists etc) they die(e.g. Borris Nemstov) or get criminalised (e.g. Nalvany)

Also his "special services" commit assassinations and all sorts of other crimes around the world

What Putin has created/fostered represents a threat to both Russia, and the world

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silovik


Moscow Times - The Tragedy of the Age-Old Kremlin-Vor Alliance (Op-ed)


Buzzfeed - From Russia With Blood : 14 UK Deaths

Irish Times - Corporate raiding devastating Russian economy, seminar told

As Galeotti says ...Putin has created Crimintern as the succesor of Comintern: Crimintern: How the Kremlin uses Russia’s criminal networks in Europe | European Council on Foreign Relations

Cyp

Surprise Surprise. Well whatdja know. A thug in power somewhere. Shock Horror

[video=youtube;qna-Tr7Viec]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qna-Tr7Viec[/video]
 

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LMFAO.

Cyp have you considered a career in comedy?

Pure gold.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

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Autocracy has been going on in Russia for centuries under Tsarist, Communist and now Putinist regimes. It actually can last not least given the sanctions arent as strong as those that brought Iran and North Korea to the table. Only 55% of Russia's trade is with Europe, and maybe less than 5% with the US.
Kim Jong Il claimed that the difference between North Korea and Libya/Iraq was that they had the nuclear deterrent.

Russia has nuclear deterrents and all the oil, gas and industrial capacity needed to outlast any potential sanctions. The world needs Russia's oil and history has proven time and time again that any attempt to crush the Russian people leads to the same result.

There are a lot of Russians who remember the chaos of shock therapy and the supposed calm brought about by Putin. The anger caused by the blatant vote rigging seems to be a cause for disillusionment for many younger Russians, however.

Who do you replace Putin with, though? A different puppet? Or the Communist Party?
 

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Kim Jong Il claimed that the difference between North Korea and Libya/Iraq was that they had the nuclear deterrent.

Russia has nuclear deterrents and all the oil, gas and industrial capacity needed to outlast any potential sanctions. The world needs Russia's oil and history has proven time and time again that any attempt to crush the Russian people leads to the same result.

There are a lot of Russians who remember the chaos of shock therapy and the supposed calm brought about by Putin. The anger caused by the blatant vote rigging seems to be a cause for disillusionment for many younger Russians, however.

Who do you replace Putin with, though? A different puppet? Or the Communist Party?
Theres no doubt that in the cities there is substantial opposition by a minority to Putin mostly young middle class people. There is also no doubt that outside the cities, millions don't have internet access and so don't get the anti-Putin side of the argunment as much. The TV debates are censored e.g. a siren plays when someone questions Russian possession of Crimea and if you advocate for LGBT rights you are criminalised by the anti 'propaganda' law. It must also be acknowledged that many who are opposed to Putin are also opposed to western-style democracy. I remember the height of the liberal movement in Russia in the 1990s and even then, the liberal Yabloko party and its splinter groups languished at 5-7% most of the time.
 

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Nope this isnt Czarist Russia Mark 2 - this is a crisis in the international order.

For a state to function it needs 4 things:

(1) A defined territory that is agreed on, inside and outside its borders
(2) Shared history and mythology - it might all be bollocks, but people must agree on how the nation came into being in the first place
(3) A code of laws
(4) State monopoly on violence. Extra-judicial violence is inherently criminal.

Take just one of those elements away and you have a failed state.

Russia is disputing (1) with its attempts to regain "lost" territory, is constantly reinventing (2) (are they Christian ethno-nationalists now?), does not abide by any of its domestic laws or international legal obligations (3) and the state IS the mob, so the distinction between legal and extra-legal violence does not exist.

Failed state. The rest of the world has to get very clear on that, so they can stop expecting them to behave normally.
 

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Nope this isnt Czarist Russia Mark 2 - this is a crisis in the international order.

For a state to function it needs 4 things:

(1) A defined territory that is agreed on, inside and outside its borders
(2) Shared history and mythology - it might all be bollocks, but people must agree on how the nation came into being in the first place
(3) A code of laws
(4) State monopoly on violence. Extra-judicial violence is inherently criminal.

Take just one of those elements away and you have a failed state.

Russia is disputing (1) with its attempts to regain "lost" territory, is constantly reinventing (2) (are they Christian ethno-nationalists now?), does not abide by any of its domestic laws or international legal obligations (3) and the state IS the mob, so the distinction between legal and extra-legal violence does not exist.

Failed state. The rest of the world has to get very clear on that, so they can stop expecting them to behave normally.
You confuse state with nation.

Fail.

Seriously though that is a basic point.

Do you need to take another holiday for retraining? :D
 

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You confuse state with nation.

Fail.

Seriously though that is a basic point.

Do you need to take another holiday for retraining? :D
The Russian Federation is a transnational state you dork.

And we are discussing the current state which calls itself the Russian Federation.

Its a failed one and because you cant counter any of the evidence that it is failed, you resort to cheap sneers.
 

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Russia is reaping what Russia has sown for years now... and they shouldn't be at all surprised or indignant about it either...
 


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