Putin's weaponisation of the State Russian Orthodox Church

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Putin as he has wandered into his role, has forged a dark nationalism for Russia

He sees the Orthodox Church as a central part of this, both something to create pride around, and use as a weapon

- domestically the Orthodox Church acts near seamlessly as an arm of the State
- the entanglement with the Ukranian Orthodox Church is getting nasty
- he bigly promotes Russia as a Christian warrior - highlighting Syria as an example, and making great inroads into the American Christian Right as consequence

The Vatican are now badly caught up in the Ukranian issue
The Tablet - Francis rules out ‘interference’ in the affairs of the Orthodox

Some more background:
Vice President Mike Pence Met Privately With Top Russian Cleric
TASS - Putin hopes Russian Orthodox Church will contribute to Syria’s reconstruction
Forbes - Holy Alliance: Vladimir Putin, The Russian Orthodox Church And Russian Exceptionalism
WaPo -Guns and religion: How American conservatives grew closer to Putin’s Russia

What do people think of this dark vision ?
Is it the identity politics the dissatisfied right globally longs for ?
Might Putin be genuinely religious ?

[video=youtube;EzeifvBH_cs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzeifvBH_cs[/video]

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Comrade Stalin also allied himself to the Church. Real leaders of men are always religious in nature.

 

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All Russian governments including the USSR and Tsars have had close ties to the Orthodox church except in 1918-41. Lenin destroyed the church and Stalin continued this until WW2 when he needed their support against the Nazis. The patriarchs were often spying for the KGB and possibly the FSB too.
 

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"a weapon" ?

Sounds more as if Putin is the Orthdox church what Bertie the Ditherer was to the FAI.....
 

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No I don't think Putin is genuinely Religious however I do think he understands the cultural importance of Orthodox Christianity on several- not the least being to help forge a militaristic self-sacrificial spirit in Russian hearts, just like Catholicism used to help forge the same in Gaelic hearts.
 

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All Russian governments including the USSR and Tsars have had close ties to the Orthodox church except in 1918-41. Lenin destroyed the church and Stalin continued this until WW2 when he needed their support against the Nazis. The patriarchs were often spying for the KGB and possibly the FSB too.
1927 which was when Stalin made peace with the Church was long before World War II arose on the horizon.
 

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Well done darling, the mad f*uckers all swarmed in and bit each other.
 

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Putin as he has wandered into his role, has forged a dark nationalism for Russia

He sees the Orthodox Church as a central part of this, both something to create pride around, and use as a weapon

- domestically the Orthodox Church acts near seamlessly as an arm of the State
- the entanglement with the Ukranian Orthodox Church is getting nasty
- he bigly promotes Russia as a Christian warrior - highlighting Syria as an example, and making great inroads into the American Christian Right as consequence

The Vatican are now badly caught up in the Ukranian issue
The Tablet - Francis rules out ‘interference’ in the affairs of the Orthodox

Some more background:
Vice President Mike Pence Met Privately With Top Russian Cleric
TASS - Putin hopes Russian Orthodox Church will contribute to Syria’s reconstruction
Forbes - Holy Alliance: Vladimir Putin, The Russian Orthodox Church And Russian Exceptionalism
WaPo -Guns and religion: How American conservatives grew closer to Putin’s Russia

What do people think of this dark vision ?
Is it the identity politics the dissatisfied right globally longs for ?
Might Putin be genuinely religious ?

[video=youtube;EzeifvBH_cs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzeifvBH_cs[/video]

Cyp
Russia experimented with communism and it's claims of scientific atheism, female liberation from the slavery of family life and rational leadership across international borders. Obviously the experiment failed at great human cost and yet millions of religions nationalists emerged from the ruins of the social engineers great failure.

The next experiment was neoliberalism during the 1990s led by triumphant American economists and a largely ignorant but willing Boris Yeltsin. This experiment resulted in nearly a decade of economic devastation on a scale unseen anywhere else in peacetime conditions.

Little wonder that Russia returned to the safe harbors of the nation state under a stable Christian church with little appetite for American style globalization and it's accompanying ethics of individualization. Putin may be a sinister tyrant but he is the most effective leader the Russians have had in decades.

I am not sure why the OP refers to nationalism and state religion as a 'dark vision' given the complete absence of viable alternatives.
 

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Cyp ,you must get off on copy and paste stuff on the world wide wait.you have away too much time on your hands and you know the old proverb about the Devil finding work for idle hands.We have enough scandals , and political /religious problems of our own without sticking our nose in other people's affairs.3/4 stuff on the world wide wait is made up stuff and many sites post any old crap , they sell their advertising space to make money on clickbaits so the objective is to monetize the product not educate/inform the Hoi Polloi who read the stuff.the bottom line is to have a revenue stream of income simples!
 

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Comrade Stalin also allied himself to the Church. Real leaders of men are always religious in nature.

He certainly did, he had a far more positive view of the Orthodox Church than most other Bolsheviks, Stalin had after all studied in an Orthodox seminary and a Russian one at that not a Georgian one.

His mother who lived to see him become the Chairman of the Soviet Communist Party always regretted that Joseph never became a priest.
 

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1927 which was when Stalin made peace with the Church was long before World War II arose on the horizon.
It's actually something Western Historians largely ignore preferring to talk about the activities of the League of Godless Militants in that period instead.
 

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Hard to respond to this without seeming to be an apologist for Putin but I really don't think anyone attempting to lead Russia can be anything but a strongman. And considering the mess Putin emerged from in Russia it would have been him or some other name doing exactly the same thing.

Of course Putin will use all cultural weapons at his command to shore up Russian nationalism.

I guess I'd just say I think it is a mistake to look at Russia through a prism of western European experience.

Of course the Russian Orthodox church is just another band of old men in funny clothes. If the leadership of that church ever piss Putin off he'll deal with them in exactly the same way he'd deal with any other perceived threat.
 

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He certainly did, he had a far more positive view of the Orthodox Church than most other Bolsheviks, Stalin had after all studied in an Orthodox seminary and a Russian one at that not a Georgian one.

His mother who lived to see him become the Chairman of the Soviet Communist Party always regretted that Joseph never became a priest.
Oddly enough a similar experience to Adolf Hitler. His ma tried to push him toward the seminary also :)
 

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The Russian Orthodox Church, unlike Rome, hasn't given into the creed of globalism. Long may that continue.
 

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The Russian Orthodox Church, unlike Rome, hasn't given into the creed of globalism. Long may that continue.
Unlikely to have been given the chance, considering it is only in the last 30 years it was possible to engage in globalisation of anything Russian.

Just another flavour of sky-mumblers.
 

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He certainly did, he had a far more positive view of the Orthodox Church than most other Bolsheviks, Stalin had after all studied in an Orthodox seminary and a Russian one at that not a Georgian one.

His mother who lived to see him become the Chairman of the Soviet Communist Party always regretted that Joseph never became a priest.
It would be no exaggeration to say that Comrade Stalin not only became a priest - but a Pope.
 


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