QC: "Sovereignty over constitutional affairs has been ceded to NI"

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Northern Ireland could veto its exit from the European Union, a lawyer for anti-Brexit campaigners from the region has told the high court in Belfast.
A senior barrister argued that Brexit could not be imposed on Northern Irelandand that the Good Friday agreement, ratified by a referendum in 1998, meant the province had some control over such constitutional changes.

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The Irish government will announce on Tuesday that it is setting up a civic dialogue to be held in Dublin on 2 November. It will involve political parties, business groups and non-governmental organisations from Northern Ireland and the Republic.

One aim will be to demonstrate to Brussels that Ireland deserves special legal status. Flanagan also stressed the need for Brexit negotiations to take account of the Good Friday agreement, under which all citizens in the north are entitled to an Irish and therefore an EU passport.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/04/ireland-to-seek-special-status-to-keep-open-border-with-uk-amid-hard-brexit-fears

Even QCs will say what they're paid to say. But this'n could run and run.
 


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Northern Ireland cannot remain in the EU while the rest of the UK leaves. Any notion to the contrary shouldn't be entertained.

Like it or not (and I certainly don't), Northern Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom and decisions on its future in this regard are made by London and the Tory government.
 

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Northern Ireland cannot remain in the EU while the rest of the UK leaves. Any notion to the contrary shouldn't be entertained.

Like it or not (and I certainly don't), Northern Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom and decisions on its future in this regard are made by London and the Tory government.

NI could do a reverse-greenland, which is part of Denmark but outside the EU.

Gibraltar is considering this:

The British enclave on the Iberian peninsula relies upon thousands of Spanish workers crossing the border every day to work, and its economy could collapse if the UK ends free movement of labour after leaving the European Union....

Now its political leaders are wondering whether the Rock can do what they call a ‘reverse Greenland’. Though Greenland is ruled by Denmark, which is a member of the EU, the island’s political leaders achieved a deal in 1985 under which it left the EU without severing its political links to Denmark.

In Gibraltar, the question is being raised as to whether the territory could remain in the EU when the UK leaves, while continuing to be a British Overseas Territory, its chief minister, Fabian Picardo told the BBC’s Today progamme.



Gibraltar faces 'existential threat' to its economy if there's a 'hard Brexit' deal, its chief minister warns | The Independent
 

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Northern Ireland could veto its exit from the European Union, a lawyer for anti-Brexit campaigners from the region has told the high court in Belfast.
A senior barrister argued that Brexit could not be imposed on Northern Irelandand that the Good Friday agreement, ratified by a referendum in 1998, meant the province had some control over such constitutional changes.

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The Irish government will announce on Tuesday that it is setting up a civic dialogue to be held in Dublin on 2 November. It will involve political parties, business groups and non-governmental organisations from Northern Ireland and the Republic.

One aim will be to demonstrate to Brussels that Ireland deserves special legal status. Flanagan also stressed the need for Brexit negotiations to take account of the Good Friday agreement, under which all citizens in the north are entitled to an Irish and therefore an EU passport.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/04/ireland-to-seek-special-status-to-keep-open-border-with-uk-amid-hard-brexit-fears

Even QCs will say what they're paid to say. But this'n could run and run.
Northen Ieland isn't a province.
 

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So the "principle of consent" can come into force here?


It would be funny - a [European] Unionist veto - that nobody saw coming!
 

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Northern Ireland could veto its exit from the European Union, a lawyer for anti-Brexit campaigners from the region has told the high court in Belfast.
A senior barrister argued that Brexit could not be imposed on Northern Irelandand that the Good Friday agreement, ratified by a referendum in 1998, meant the province had some control over such constitutional changes.

.....

The Irish government will announce on Tuesday that it is setting up a civic dialogue to be held in Dublin on 2 November. It will involve political parties, business groups and non-governmental organisations from Northern Ireland and the Republic.

One aim will be to demonstrate to Brussels that Ireland deserves special legal status. Flanagan also stressed the need for Brexit negotiations to take account of the Good Friday agreement, under which all citizens in the north are entitled to an Irish and therefore an EU passport.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/04/ireland-to-seek-special-status-to-keep-open-border-with-uk-amid-hard-brexit-fears

Even QCs will say what they're paid to say. But this'n could run and run.
So, if this is upheld, the admin in Stormont would have to approve Brexit, an admin that comprises one party that campaigned Leave and one the campaigned Remain.

That's when you get out the popcorn.
 
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So, if this is upheld, the admin in Stormont would have to approve Brexit, and admin that comprises one party that campaigned Leave and one the campaigned Remain.

That's when you get out the popcorn.
A petition of concern should sort that out nicely. SF+SDLP+Alliance+Greens+half of the UUP, that should carry it, I would think. Now, that would be hilarious.
 

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A petition of concern should sort that out nicely. SF+SDLP+Alliance+Greens+half of the UUP, that should carry it, I would think. Now, that would be hilarious.
Yes, the most likely scenario. It would be funny, but it could precipitate an election.
 

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Yes, the most likely scenario. It would be funny, but it could precipitate an election.
I don't see how it would precipitate an election. The petition of concern is there to prevent one side of the community imposing its will on the other. Up to now, it has been abused. This would actually see it being implemented correctly. I'm afraid in that scenario, the DUP would just have to suck it up, reflect on how their lack of basic manners has come back to bite them on the árse, and get on with things. And, it would be hilarious. What's not to like?
 

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They want to involve the EU in negotiations over Irish partition, this is not desirable, it is just another large outside power that is being invited by the local gatekeepers to take power in the country. In the medium to long term what they intend is to use EU police and military forces to operate in Ireland if during a transition period political unrest or attacks happen. This EU force will be said to have been accepted and legislated for in the Lisbon referendum and will have the 'handy' ability to quell any challenge to the status quo in Ireland, originating from the north or south or both.

I assure you - you only need to look at who is driving this - that Ireland is being set up for another century of post-colonial underperfomance and dependency.
 

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Constitutional affairs were not devolved to NI in the GFA. This challenge just isn't a runner.
 

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I assure you - you only need to look at who is driving this - that Ireland is being set up for another century of post-colonial underperfomance and dependency.
Could you elaborate?
 

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Strange it got to court, then...
Thinking would be that it's better off to give them their day out rather than allow them to have a sense of grievance.
Another goldmine for the legal profession.
 

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Thinking would be that it's better off to give them their day out rather than allow them to have a sense of grievance.
Another goldmine for the legal profession.
Nah, i do think there's merit in this. I understand Scotland is looking at a similar process.
 

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A vague sense of panic in this Fred. :)

Please someone get on here quick and tell me how safe the great union is. :)
 

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Could you elaborate?
Ireland is strategically important, it is being carved up by the EU, Britain and the US in terms of Brexit negotiations. The people who run Ireland will hand the country over - for a cut, as usual.

The Irish central bank are at pains to point out that no business will move here from London unless they are fully domiciled here, an effective resistance on the part of the Irish central bank to the London finance industry moving here. Simultaneously the Irish government are at pains to reject $13 billion dollars and are ready to go to court to fight for Apple. Why? Because Ireland is a client state of Britain and the US and will not go into competition with London unless allowed to do so. The Irish establishment do not take their orders from us, they take their orders from the US and UK. We are unimportant. They have been client state agents of the British since 1922 and of the US since 1949. That is what we are dealing with.

And now we have the EU, another outside power being invited in. Colonialists who have split the country - I mean the Irish establishment who shot other Irishmen to ensure they took an oath to the English king, something rarely remembered this way - are by definition reliant on outside powers and the concept of Ireland as a region rather than a home. A home you can and must defend but a region is a region of another power. It is in their DNA as a political movement, it is their origin and the guarantor of their continuance.

So the Irish have decided to integrate into the EU as a borderland between it and the US and UK, with they believe Ireland's security guaranteed against a repeat of former oppression. They are prepared to sell out the country to do so and will believe themselves entirely virtuous in their 2-dimensional, shallow and self-serving analysis. And we will have to live with the results and, as usual, have no idea of what has been lost because it never had a chance to be.
 
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