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Rabbi Tells Sex Abuse Victim,"The Police are not the Answer"


james toney

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Channel Four Dispatches programme to be shown tonight at 10.30pm alleges that
Rabbi Ephraim Padwa, who leads the Charedi community in London's Stamford Hill - instructing an alleged victim of child sexual abuse not to go to the police describing it as ‘mesira’, which means it's forbidden to report a Jew to non-Jewish authority.

Dispatches - Britain's Hidden Child Abuse - Channel 4

The programme will show hidden recordings by a former member of the charedi community,who went to the Rabbi.
Another Charedi Rabbi claims later in the program that Rabbi Ephraim Padwa recently forbade a father who had told the police that his son had been sexually abused from pursuing the case.
Why are people of the community forbidden from taking their serious complaints of sexual abuse to the police?
It seems people are terrified to report it,What are the consequences for the victims if they bring it further,surely it cant be right to deal with this internally,or cover it up,such as other religious organisations have tried to do.

"Last night it released another statement outlining its procedures for dealing with child sex abuse complaints. It said: “The Orthodox Hebrew Congregations have a special Committee to deal with incidences of attacks of this kind on the children of our congregations. The members of the Committee consist of rabbis, educators and members of the community, among whom there are those who have been trained in the right way to tackle this."

Senior British rabbi filmed telling alleged child abuse victim not to go to the police - Home News - UK - The Independent

"Wednesday’s documentary, “Britain’s Hidden Child Abuse,” comes at a particularly sensitive time for London’s Haredi community, which is embroiled in an ongoing scandal over a former religious judge for the Union of Orthodox Hebrew Congregations, Rabbi Chaim Halpern. He has been accused of sexual misconduct involving about 30 women who came to him for counseling."

The Awareness Center, Inc.
 


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Is the Rabbi getting advice from Cardinal Brady?
 

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Religion; such a civilising influence.
 

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Channel Four Dispatches programme to be shown tonight at 10.30pm alleges that
Rabbi Ephraim Padwa, who leads the Charedi community in London's Stamford Hill - instructing an alleged victim of child sexual abuse not to go to the police describing it as ‘mesira’, which means it's forbidden to report a Jew to non-Jewish authority.

Dispatches - Britain's Hidden Child Abuse - Channel 4

The programme will show hidden recordings by a former member of the charedi community,who went to the Rabbi.
Another Charedi Rabbi claims later in the program that Rabbi Ephraim Padwa recently forbade a father who had told the police that his son had been sexually abused from pursuing the case.
Why are people of the community forbidden from taking their serious complaints of sexual abuse to the police?
It seems people are terrified to report it,What are the consequences for the victims if they bring it further,surely it cant be right to deal with this internally,or cover it up,such as other religious organisations have tried to do.

"Last night it released another statement outlining its procedures for dealing with child sex abuse complaints. It said: “The Orthodox Hebrew Congregations have a special Committee to deal with incidences of attacks of this kind on the children of our congregations. The members of the Committee consist of rabbis, educators and members of the community, among whom there are those who have been trained in the right way to tackle this."

Senior British rabbi filmed telling alleged child abuse victim not to go to the police - Home News - UK - The Independent

"Wednesday’s documentary, “Britain’s Hidden Child Abuse,” comes at a particularly sensitive time for London’s Haredi community, which is embroiled in an ongoing scandal over a former religious judge for the Union of Orthodox Hebrew Congregations, Rabbi Chaim Halpern. He has been accused of sexual misconduct involving about 30 women who came to him for counseling."

The Awareness Center, Inc.
Anti-semitic slander.
 

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Channel Four Dispatches programme to be shown tonight at 10.30pm alleges that
Rabbi Ephraim Padwa, who leads the Charedi community in London's Stamford Hill - instructing an alleged victim of child sexual abuse not to go to the police describing it as ‘mesira’, which means it's forbidden to report a Jew to non-Jewish authority.

Dispatches - Britain's Hidden Child Abuse - Channel 4

The programme will show hidden recordings by a former member of the charedi community,who went to the Rabbi.
Another Charedi Rabbi claims later in the program that Rabbi Ephraim Padwa recently forbade a father who had told the police that his son had been sexually abused from pursuing the case.
Why are people of the community forbidden from taking their serious complaints of sexual abuse to the police?
It seems people are terrified to report it,What are the consequences for the victims if they bring it further,surely it cant be right to deal with this internally,or cover it up,such as other religious organisations have tried to do.

"Last night it released another statement outlining its procedures for dealing with child sex abuse complaints. It said: “The Orthodox Hebrew Congregations have a special Committee to deal with incidences of attacks of this kind on the children of our congregations. The members of the Committee consist of rabbis, educators and members of the community, among whom there are those who have been trained in the right way to tackle this."

Senior British rabbi filmed telling alleged child abuse victim not to go to the police - Home News - UK - The Independent

"Wednesday’s documentary, “Britain’s Hidden Child Abuse,” comes at a particularly sensitive time for London’s Haredi community, which is embroiled in an ongoing scandal over a former religious judge for the Union of Orthodox Hebrew Congregations, Rabbi Chaim Halpern. He has been accused of sexual misconduct involving about 30 women who came to him for counseling."

The Awareness Center, Inc.
Meh. In for a penny, in for a pound.
 

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I wonder will they be doing a similar documentary on the Socialist Workers Party's attempt to cover up a rape committed by one of its members against another member, because they didn't trust the bourgeois legal system?

I somehow doubt that the media would want to discommode a left wing organisation like that.
 

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Is the Rabbi getting advice from Cardinal Brady?
Here's a chicken and egg question for you - does Christianity predate Judaism? :roll:
 

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Listen to this song by Tim Minchin - who has been on Jonathan Ross Graham Norton show & other BBC shows (an organisation which facilitated Jimmy Saville) - about the Pope:

Tim Minchin I Hate Papists (Catholics) Pope Song - YouTube


Now substitute "Papist" for "Jew" in that song and consider how many milliseconds Tim Minchin would have to wait before he'd be ostracised, up for incitement to hatred or worse (quite rightly, anti semitism shouldn't be tolerated).

Now compare the Irish media reportage of the catholic church the BBC, HSE and other religions.

Proof: The Irish media doesn't report on abuse out of care for children. Only to get at RCC.

Contrast this with British media which reports consistently out of concern for children, regardless of perpetrator.
 

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I wonder will they be doing a similar documentary on the Socialist Workers Party's attempt to cover up a rape committed by one of its members against another member, because they didn't trust the bourgeois legal system?

I somehow doubt that the media would want to discommode a left wing organisation like that.


Like Roman Polanski and Jimmy Saville were covered up for by their media/celeb friends, the hard left that runs the media will also cover up for their own.

While simultaneously pointing an accusing finger at the church.

But what more can you expect?
 

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This Rabbi is no more representative of jewish people than the evil tiny minority of clergy
(two or three hundred out of tens of thousands) in the catholic church.

It would be unacceptable to smear the jewish religion for what this unrepresentative rabbi has done.

So why is it acceptable to smear the majority of decent catholics?
 

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Like Roman Polanski and Jimmy Saville were covered up for by their media/celeb friends, the hard left that runs the media will also cover up for their own.

While simultaneously pointing an accusing finger at the church.

But what more can you expect?
Ruport Murdock, Ted Turner, Silvio Burlusconi, Sir Anto O'Reilly and Denis O'Brien equal 'the hard left'. Well you learn something new every day don't ya.
 

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This Rabbi is no more representative of jewish people than the evil tiny minority of clergy
(two or three hundred out of tens of thousands) in the catholic church.

It would be unacceptable to smear the jewish religion for what this unrepresentative rabbi has done.

So why is it acceptable to smear the majority of decent catholics?
Is it? Give us an example there of a smear against the majority of decent Catholics. And while you are at it, an example of the Chief Rabbi moving abusers between the Jewish equivalent of parishes would also be appreciated.
 

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Ruport Murdock, Ted Turner, Silvio Burlusconi, Sir Anto O'Reilly and Denis O'Brien equal 'the hard left'. Well you learn something new every day don't ya.
Murdoch and Berlusconi aside (except for perhaps O'Reilly on issues relating to the national question) owners of media rarely interfere in editorial output in the media which is invariably soft/liberal left in outlook, reflecting far more the cosmopolitan group think of journalists rather than any views of the owners (who just want to make money and usually don't care about politics).

But back to topic: After years of being told abuse was a "catholic" problem we now know it permeates all organisations/cultures both secular and religious.

The media owes a massive apology to the vast majority of catholics whom it - like Father Kevin Reynolds - viciously smeared with the crimes of an evil minority.
 

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Surely a religious committee would only work if both abuser and victim were within the same congregation.

If the abuser came from outside the small Charedi or even Jewish community a committee would have no influence, that is what a national police force is for. Supposedly above the petty squabbles of race, colour, creed, or personal bias, just to uphold the laws of the land.
 

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Murdoch and Berlusconi aside (except for perhaps O'Reilly on issues relating to the national question) owners of media rarely interfere in editorial output in the media which is invariably soft/liberal left in outlook, reflecting far more the cosmopolitan group think of journalists rather than any views of the owners (who just want to make money and usually don't care about politics).

But back to topic: After years of being told abuse was a "catholic" problem we now know it permeates all organisations/cultures both secular and religious.

The media owes a massive apology to the vast majority of catholics whom it - like Father Kevin Reynolds - viciously smeared with the crimes of an evil minority.
Soft/liberal left is not equal to hard left. That is why there are different words. The issue, by the way, is not with abuse, it's with the cover up. Can you not tell the difference between the 'majority of decent Catholics' (individuals) and the Catholic Church (institution)?
 

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I wonder will they be doing a similar documentary on the Socialist Workers Party's attempt to cover up a rape committed by one of its members against another member, because they didn't trust the bourgeois legal system?

I somehow doubt that the media would want to discommode a left wing organisation like that.
You are joking,surely. The mainstream media is about as left wing as your good self. They belong to the hang 'em , flog 'em brigade,as well.
 

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The Orthodox Jewish sects often try and prefer to keep their laws separate from that of the country they are in, they say that since the crimes tend to happen in their community then their community can deal with it. To an extent that is fair enough if its which dog is messing on someones lawn. Child abuse, domestic violence etc are very different. Leaders of the communities should be told they are subject to the law and if they are found to have broken the law by effectively making themselves accomplices to child abusers they should be charged.
 

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Soft/liberal left is not equal to hard left. That is why there are different words. The issue, by the way, is not with abuse, it's with the cover up. Can you not tell the difference between the 'majority of decent Catholics' (individuals) and the Catholic Church (institution)?
Why would you assume anyone who professes membership of a voluntary organisation which permits pedophilia to be decent?
 

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Why would you assume anyone who professed membership of a voluntary organisation which permits pedophilia to be decent?
I don't believe that the rules actually permit it. Jesus, something of an authority on Christianity, suggested that those that harmed children should be drowned in the sea. This suggests to me that a voluntary member of the organisation does not actually endorse pedophilia and that somewhere up the hierarchy something went very, very wrong. Anyway, what else are rural dwelling elderly people meant to do on a Sunday morning? It's good for their spirits for them to get out of the house and see th neighbours.
 

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