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Racist, apartheid Israel?


Golah veNekhar

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Netanyahu confirmed that Israel is a State for only its Israeli citizens.
You mean Jewish citizens. I know. However the banning of Balad and the Islamic Movement in Israel-Southern Branch from running in elections is a far more serious topic.
 

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Netanyahu confirmed claimed that Israel is a State for only its Jewish citizens.
FTFY.

Most people in Israel very unhappy about these kind of election tactics.

E.g. Arabs aren't 'second-class voters,' President Rivlin rebukes Netanyahu

Let's hope these kind of base tactics and cynical electioneering strongly back-fire on Netanyahu.

Neither conflate this with the responsibilities of citizenship question, also ongoing in this election cycle, the exact same way as it was back in the election cycle of 2009.
 

Golah veNekhar

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FTFY.

Neither conflate this with the responsibilities of citizenship question, also ongoing in this election cycle, the exact same way as it was back in the election cycle of 2009.
Everyone knows that "Arabs" are fourth class citizens in "Israel" who knows anything about the situation just like they know that Ethiopian Jewry are third class citizens and Arab Jews are second class citizens. On the whole responsible citizenship thing do you think it would be just and rational to ban parties in Northern Ireland that seek to make the six counties part of the Republic of Ireland on the grounds of "responsible citizenship"? Back during the Troubles the DUP wanted the Shinners banned but not the SDLP and Balad and the Islamic Movement in Israel-Southern Branch are much more akin by far to SDLP than they are to the Shinners, in fact the Southern Branch is more cuckish than the SDLP were. The problem is that the Zionist project cannot integrate in the "Arab" fifth of the citizens of "Israel" because doing so would terribly undermine Zionist ideology. The "Arab Israelis" are actually a major issue, especially now that more and more of them are realizing that integration as long as Zionism remains is an impossibility.
 

Golah veNekhar

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Those videos are fake at least when it comes the supposedly indigenous people interviewed- very crude propaganda where supposed Palestinians say on camera what would get them locked up for several years. Anyway people interested should listen to this interview with Jonathan Cook who is an award winning author and journalist who has been living among the "Arab Israelis" for years now.

 

james toney

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Many are waking up to the facts...and keeping with the thread title...of course israel is a racist Apartheid regime.
'Netanyahu is desperate, in the face of an electoral challenge from former military chiefs of staff as well as the looming indictments for corruption allegations. But recent developments are not just about motivating a right-wing base – the problem goes much deeper than an embattled demagogue'


Opinion: Netanyahu’s racist comments have shattered the illusion Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East
 

roc_

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Those videos are fake...
So, you assert the guy is lying?

"... Want to know what Israelis and Palestinians really think? Ask.
Questions come from you, the viewers.
Respondents are random people on the street.
All responses are included and unedited for content.

I reserve the right to give sarcastic comments..."

Corey Gil-Shuster | Video Uploads

There's really not much that can be said to this accusation, this dismissal. (It is a regular device of dogmatists to dismiss anything which does not accord with held dogma. )

So the only answer is that people should watch the videos themselves, and decide themselves if the guy is sincere and honest in what he is trying to do with his project.

Whereas, your Jonathan Cooke has a thesis. - A thesis that Israel fears demography, so is beginning a long, slow process of ethnic cleansing both of Palestinian non-citizens from parts of the occupied territories, which it has long coveted for its expanded Jewish state, and of Palestinian citizens from inside its internationally recognised border. They are doing this by purposely making life unbearable for the Palestinians, brutally oppressing them, discriminating against them, and that the whole history of Zionism history should be understood as a sustained struggle against "the demographic demon"...

No doubt this journalist has written a well-documented book. No one denies either that the Palestinians experience injustices, indignities and discomforts (the question is what are the real causes underlying that).

Anyway, does Jonathan Cooke prove his thesis? No, he doesn't. Why?

Because his thesis (a) is not falsifiable. (b) facilitates the interpretation of a wide range of phenomena as verification.

So what is it then? It's dogma. - (a) and (b) above in fact constitute the technical definition of dogma.

People should browse those videos at the link I gave above, and make their own mind up. Sure there are problems. But is it really down to "the evil of Zionism" etc?
 

Golah veNekhar

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So, you assert the guy is lying?

"... Want to know what Israelis and Palestinians really think? Ask.
Questions come from you, the viewers.
Respondents are random people on the street.
All responses are included and unedited for content.

I reserve the right to give sarcastic comments..."

Corey Gil-Shuster | Video Uploads

There's really not much that can be said to this accusation, this dismissal. (It is a regular device of dogmatists to dismiss anything which does not accord with held dogma. )
Palestinians are arrested both in the West Bank and within the Green Line for saying very mild stuff. Palestinians, particularly those within the Green Line, have a "whatever you say, say nothing" attitude because they know that any minute the Shin Bet could land on them. Teachers in Nazareth and in other places have been dragged in for torture for the "crime" of explaining to kids who asked them who the PLO are. His videos show indeed that some Zionist dogmatists will swallow anything in order to keep their demonization of the indigenous population in place. Zionism can only work through dehumanization. The moment you see the indigenous Palestinians as people just like yourself is the moment you cease to be a Zionist. I really pray that some day that epiphany will come to- Hashem grant it! Anyway for those willing to believe Corey Gil-Shuster:

Rights group: Israel arrested 500 Palestinians over Facebook posts
 

Golah veNekhar

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So the only answer is that people should watch the videos themselves, and decide themselves if the guy is sincere and honest in what he is trying to do with his project.

Whereas, your Jonathan Cooke has a thesis. - A thesis that Israel fears demography, so is beginning a long, slow process of ethnic cleansing both of Palestinian non-citizens from parts of the occupied territories, which it has long coveted for its expanded Jewish state, and of Palestinian citizens from inside its internationally recognised border. They are doing this by purposely making life unbearable for the Palestinians, brutally oppressing them, discriminating against them, and that the whole history of Zionism history should be understood as a sustained struggle against "the demographic demon"...
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Oh come one that "thesis" is actually obvious reality, even Shaul Magid has said that Ben Gurion really believed that by treating the "Arab Israelis" horrifically he could get rid of them- he overlooked the extremely deep the indigenous population of Palestine have to their land, something which Josephus talked about . You know also as well as I do that Zionism is obsessed with demographics- in fact within Palestinian Jewish discourse the main argument for the two-state solution is the fear the current set up will lead to "bi-national state" which is Zionist code for a state for all it's citizens. Zionism can only exist by maintaining separation between the indigenous population and the colonists- the moment integration happens is the moment Zionism dies. You know this as well as I do. Look you support the Caroline Glicks and the Libermans, you do not the likes of Mizrahi Democratic Rainbow or Derekh Avraham, in fact I think you would especially oppose the latter. The whole routine of protraying Zionism as a well meaning benevolent force which is the actual victim in all this is getting tiresome. You should read his books "Blood and Religion" and "Disappearing Palestine".
 

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FTFY.
Let's hope these kind of base tactics and cynical electioneering strongly back-fire on Netanyahu.
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Indigenous Palestinians can essentially never get planning permission to build which is why the over crowding in their towns and villages is something deeply shocking to outsiders, including outsiders from the region, who witness it. A small majority but a majority of them none the less rely on charity from the rest of the region in order just to eat properly, their schools are massively over crowded and under funded to the extent that the staff in them have massive problems just coping. This is within the Green Line.

The alternative to Bibi is actually far worse than him. I really hope that Bibi both wins the election and avoids jail for his corruption. Better a gangster realist than a genocidal true believer like Gantz.

Why Benny Gantz is more dangerous than the Kahanists | +972 Magazine
 

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FTFY.

Most people in Israel very unhappy about these kind of election tactics.

E.g. Arabs aren't 'second-class voters,' President Rivlin rebukes Netanyahu

Let's hope these kind of base tactics and cynical electioneering strongly back-fire on Netanyahu.

Neither conflate this with the responsibilities of citizenship question, also ongoing in this election cycle, the exact same way as it was back in the election cycle of 2009.
Why do you want his tactics to back fire on him.

What do you disagree with as regards what he said.
 

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Why do you want his tactics to back fire on him.

What do you disagree with as regards what he said.
Rivlin is correct.

"those who believe in the duty of the State of Israel to be a Jewish and democratic state in the full sense of the word must remember that in the State of Israel there are full equal rights to all of the country's citizens."

Netanyahu is appealing to the same kind of fear and base rationalising that the likes of Trump or Brexit made appeal to.

That's not good. It does not reflect the majority of Israeli society either as it is manifest in it's public and social places.

But like in America and te UK, there may be those harbouring grievances and rationalising in online "communities" in negative, unhappy ways.

I hope that Israel may be the best that it can be, just the same way as I hope the UK, and America, can be the best that they can be, and disdain this type of logic.

That is not to completely dismiss the legitimate grievances and concerns that those ascribing to populist solutions have.

However there are much better solutions, they just are much more complex, and take more time.
 
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Golah veNekhar

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That's not good. It does not reflect the majority of Israeli society either as it is manifest in it's public and social places.
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roc who are you trying to fool? You know that nearly fifty per cent of Jews in Israel believe in "transfer" or basically ethnically cleansing the entire indigenous population from Eretz Israel which they know can only be done violently. "Death to Arabs" is something you hear sung regularly in public and social places over there.

Opinion: Anti-Arab Israeli racism will dramatically worsen during April elections – and the world won’t care
 

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  • When the Apartheid regime is led by a racist,fascist war criminal such as Netanyahu... then this becomes the norm.
New poll shows wide support for apartheid policy in Israel
Do you think roc actually believes that Jewish society in Eretz Israel is really a tolerant and humane non-racist one or do you think that he knows how it is extremely racist and brutal, supports that racism and brutality, but wants others to think it is a mirror image of the bourgeois West?
 

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To the useless hasbara trolls they can't admit that israel is a racist society...that has widespread support.
Not only do they attempt silly lies to cover it up and deflect from such facts....they also lie to themselves.It's ludicrous yet funny.....if they are on performance related pay to lie for israel,they must Owe a fortune,because they are that bad at it.
 

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To the useless hasbara trolls they can't admit that israel is a racist society...that has widespread support.
Not only do they attempt silly lies to cover it up and deflect from such facts....they also lie to themselves.It's ludicrous yet funny.....if they are on performance related pay to lie for israel,they must Owe a fortune,because they are that bad at it.

Israel should be the last Nation on Earth to support such an apartheid and racist regime, shame on them, I say.
 

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Everyone knows that the so called balestinians are an invention of the Arab league that was supposed to bring the demise of zionism.

That's why Balestine was never in Judea and Samaria, until Israel liberated those territories from the Jordanian grip.

When that happened - suddenly the "west bank" became the ancient balestinian homeland, that had never existed before.

Today they still claim these territories are theirs, knowing that the leftistics worldwide would happily fall to this fabrication.

Thus the EU, including Ireland, of course, excitingly funds convicted terrorists salaries and pays for antisemitic textbooks and inciting education system.

To add insult to injury, the EU funds illegal constructions.

The so called balestinians live quite happily in areas a and b, because they are judenrein areas.

The leftistics, especially irish leftistics, have breathing problems when they see that Jews live in Judea and Samaria, so they try to delegitimize the Jewish existence there, that had already been recognized by the League of Nations.

So in order to do that, they use words like abartheid and ethnic cleansing.

The truth is different: the only ones who had been ethnically cleansed are the Jews, both from Gaza and from Northern Samaria. If the jews can be "evacuated" so can the arabs. The arabs don't care if they build with permits or without them. When it's possible, Israel ignores it, where it's not possible, because the place has strategic importance, like the way to the dead sea, the arabs should be stopped from building.

That's the case in Khan el-Ahmar, and in Sussya.

But the arabs don't like it, so they tell a fabricated story of how their village is an "ottoman" village, while the truth is they are nothing but squatters.

Hopefully, eventually, these villages will be evacuated and the all saga will end.
 

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