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Rapid rise in 'sham marriages'


nonpartyboy

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Sometimes you just think to yourself this country gets everything it deserves, the French and Germans flout eu law when it suits them, their farmers would think nothing of dumping a 40ft truck of Irish produce into the sea, and we like ************************************g gimps just put our hands in the air and tut tut about eu law.
Bend over paddy........you deserve it.
 


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Would someone be kind enought to clear this up for me..

Irish citizen marries non EU citizen in Ireland - can the non Eu citizen claim residency etc.?

Non EU citizen marries EU citizen (not Irish) here in Ireland, can the Non EU citizen claim residency etc?

Very confusing (although I haven't, I admit read the whole thread).
 

Éireann go Brách

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Joan Bruton is going to fix the loopholes next year sometime(no hurry)
10 years after it started
what a country


MINISTER FOR SOCIAL Protection Joan Burton has said she hopes legislation to prevent marriages of convenience will be introduced in Ireland during 2012.

There are procedures to prevent so-called sham marriages in place in other EU member states and Burton wants to bring similar legislations to Ireland next year.
Govt hopes to legislate against ‘sham marriages’ · TheJournal.ie
 

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@Asset Test: In a nutshell, if an Irish citizen marries a non-EU citizen who does not already have legal status in the Republic, the non-EU citizen does NOT get legal status, and can be deported; there have been a number of such cases.
But if a non-EU citizen marries a citizen of another EU state resident in Ireland, they do get residency under EU law, provided it can be shown to be a genuine marriage, as opposed to the sham marriages being spoken of.
For example, I know a couple in a very genuine marriage, the man is Nigerian, the woman Polish, they met and married in Switzerland and came to Ireland before Poland joined the EU. That is very different matter from the cases being described here.
 

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Joan Bruton is going to fix the loopholes next year sometime(no hurry)
10 years after it started
what a country



Govt hopes to legislate against ‘sham marriages’ · TheJournal.ie
Can she close the olympic visa scam opened by Shatter too while shes at it?

Lax Olympic border checks 'may let in illegal migrants' as well as thousands of athletes | Mail Online

Also theres another scam involving landlords here setting up shops on behalf of asian "businessmen".
 

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I posted this OP 7 years ago. At precisely the same time it now appears that Rachid Redouane, one of the London attackers, having been refused Asylum in the UK, came to Dublin to get married.

Seven years. Nothing materially changed to address the issue. It's not as if stringent checks are unprecedented as outlined in the OP.

People have being saying political correctness is poisonous. When you note the unwillingness to vigorously address security problems when the intersect areas of "political correctness" perhaps more people will believe them.

Yesterday, as I was driving home through the Sydney rush hour, our PM gave her 5 minute Party Political Broadcast on behalf of the ruling Labor Party. Amongst other things, she spoke of a reassessment of Australian policy with regard to the asylum process as it is now operating (people who are willing and able to enter the country illegally, then applying) with the balance shifting towards offering asylum through UN programs and eliminating (insofar as that is possible) the current system which favors those with a willingness to break the law and the money to give effect to that. That is, actually granting asylum to those that need it as opposed to those who simply want out of their current country (the opposite of what's happening in Ireland for the last 10 years). Can you imagine Eamonski coming out with that? Biffo? Inda?

Then this morning I read this: Registrar warns of rapid rise in 'sham marriages' - The Irish Times - Tue, Aug 17, 2010 or what will probably become Irish Born Child Mark 2.

I was struck by the difference in discourse between Ireland and Australia on this. I married an Australian citizen here a few years ago (whilst legally resident of course! :) ). I was free to marry, but gaining residency on the basis of that relationship took several thousand dollars, hundreds of documents, photos, officially witnessed statements from 3rd parties, utility bills and wills showing long term cohabitation and commitment and two, personally intrusive interviews. It wasn't pleasant, but I had nothing to fear from the process and recognized it's importance. I was struck by how highly Australians protect and value the right of residency here. It was solemn and serious process.

Our country has already been transformed under our feet with very large and growing communities of people with no relationship to Ireland. They came uninvited and it doesn't seem our political class paused to ponder whether this was somethign we wanted or needed or should accept. The impact this has had on quality of life has already been felt with pressure on infrastructure, crime and quite simply the nature of our society which in places now resembles a different country (to say as much now in 'polite company' is to commit a sin). Those who raise concerns are tut-tutted at best and immediatley screeched down by the left and the politically correct at worst.

Why is it we seem unable to hold the right of residency in our country with the value it surely deserves? Why aren't we protecting it? Have we (people who regard unfettered third world immigation as being a problem) simply been cowed into submission? Is the prime driver for this the new ECJ administered religion of self hating Political Correctness or is it somethign Irish or both?

In Ireland, I guess this latest gross abuse of our ability to control who comes to the country will be met by collective shrugs. In Australia, well, it just couldn't happen.
 

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We now have the first confirmed example of a murdering Jihadist terrorist using an Irish marriage to a British citizen to get British residence.
 
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I've read the Irish times articles "new to the parish " for a while now. A good few of the non EU people said that because of the income figure needed to bring a spouse in to the UK that they decided to live in Ireland. These are people married to U.K citizens. If the U.K have a level of income needed to bring in a spouse as not to be a burden on welfare then we should as well. That is probably the reason the Couple married here to get over those rules.
 

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Apparently there is a massive problem with Pakistanis marrying Eastern European Whore-Junkies in Cyrpus and then moving to Ireland for the "honeymoon" and suddenly claim European treaty rights once here.
 

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The Halawa sisters married Egyptian men in Turkey and have been trying to get their husband residence in Ireland since 2015, they are now suing the State for not making a decision on the cases yet. Given all the pressure the sisters have put on the Irish government and the attention their brothers imprisonment in Egypt has, one wonders if the government has good reason to try to stop these men entering. One also wonders why these ladies aren't joining their husbands in Turkey?
 

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Do the sisters work , or are we expected to provide for them and their husbands.
 

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We needed Eliot Ness and Rudy Giuliani. Instead we got Frances Fitzgerald and Aodhain O'Riordain.

After 6 years of FG running Law & Order, the administration of justice in Ireland has never been in a worse state than it is today.
 

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We needed Eliot Ness and Rudy Giuliani. Instead we got Frances Fitzgerald and Aodhain O'Riordain.

After 6 years of FG running Law & Order, the administration of justice in Ireland has never been in a worse state than it is today.
Have to agree with that. Although the problems within the guards is of far longer standing than six years. Lots of people now of voting age are too young to remember Lenihan Snr telling the story on TV about Haughey asking the young guard how he'd like a transfer to the Aran Islands if he applied the law to him.
 

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The ultimate sham marriage has to be being a male, pretending to have the EU passport, agreeing to a sham marriage in exchange for a few weeks of riding, and then disappearing.
 

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Do the sisters work , or are we expected to provide for them and their husbands.
asking the important questions first, good man.
 

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This state knew it had a problem with Sham Marriages almost a decade ago. These are not difficult problems to solve. So it deeply disappointing, not to mention shameful that in 2018, we read this:

Probe into Irish-based marriage scam being used to obtain EU residency for illegal immigrants - Irish Independent

"Gardai are spearheading a Europe-wide investigation after uncovering an Irish-based international bogus marriage scheme being used to obtain EU residency for illegal immigrants, including sex offenders and suspected Isil supporters."

It bears repeating: This country is just not serious about protecting the integrity of its borders.

What a sad indictment of our ability to run a country.
 

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This state knew it had a problem with Sham Marriages almost a decade ago. These are not difficult problems to solve. So it deeply disappointing, not to mention shameful that in 2018, we read this:

Probe into Irish-based marriage scam being used to obtain EU residency for illegal immigrants - Irish Independent

"Gardai are spearheading a Europe-wide investigation after uncovering an Irish-based international bogus marriage scheme being used to obtain EU residency for illegal immigrants, including sex offenders and suspected Isil supporters."

It bears repeating: This country is just not serious about protecting the integrity of its borders.

What a sad indictment of our ability to run a country.
We were very lucky to get rid of afar right loon like you.
 

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