Raqqa falls to US-backed Syrian rebels ... What next for ISIS?

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And, no, it was not because of President Trump's "secret plan to defeat ISIS" which never existed. If there was any plan, it was hatched under President Obama, who was wary of sending large numbers of US troops to the region.

Rather than fighting to the death, at the end, ISIS fighters either surrendered, or fled.

Raqqa: What Next For ISIS After The Fall Of Its Capital to U.S.-Backed Forces?

But this is hardly the end of ISIS, or Daesh. Al Baghdadi is still at large, as far as we know, and its propaganda section, quite effective at radicalising some youth in the west, has probably melted away to fight again.

With ISIS out of the way, there is now a vacuum that the the Kurds, other Syrian rebels, Turkey and the Syrian state will be trying to fill.
 


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And, no, it was not because of President Trump's "secret plan to defeat ISIS" which never existed. If there was any plan, it was hatched under President Obama, who was wary of sending large numbers of US troops to the region.

Of course it was.


Let's Googlify that nonsense, shall we? A quick trip down Google Lane, to 2016:


Russia and US in conflict in Syria (Hilary wanted to go to war with them, remember).
The US arming Islamic terrorists - yes, Obama was supporting ISIS, which he called "rebels" (a source of Russian unease with US policy in Syria).
Turkey about to invade to fight Kurds.



No, Obama mad a complete and utter balls up of it. The victory came because:

The supposed "Syrian rebels" were outed as ISIS and abandoned.
The Russia was placated politically
Turkey was placated politically.



None of that was going to happen under Obama. FFS, you will still be giving Obama credit for any positive thing that happens in the US or under US policy for the next 50 years.
 

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So when do we repatriate all the able bodied healthy young migrants/refugees back home to rebuild their country?
 

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So when do we repatriate all the able bodied healthy young migrants/refugees back home to rebuild their country?
As soon as Syrian peace talks settle the country ... not sure when that will be.

There is a lot more going on in Syria than Al Baghdadi and his forces.

More Syrians fled Assad than fled ISIS.
 

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Of course it was.


Let's Googlify that nonsense, shall we? A quick trip down Google Lane, to 2016:


Russia and US in conflict in Syria (Hilary wanted to go to war with them, remember).
The US arming Islamic terrorists - yes, Obama was supporting ISIS, which he called "rebels" (a source of Russian unease with US policy in Syria).
Turkey about to invade to fight Kurds.



No, Obama mad a complete and utter balls up of it. The victory came because:

The supposed "Syrian rebels" were outed as ISIS and abandoned.
The Russia was placated politically
Turkey was placated politically.



None of that was going to happen under Obama. FFS, you will still be giving Obama credit for any positive thing that happens in the US or under US policy for the next 50 years.
The Syrian Kurds, supplied and supported by the US, have been the only group consistently driving ISIS back on the ground over the last two years.

If Trump thought he could claim credit for Mosul and Raqqa, then he would, as quick as sh1t from a goose. Since he claimed that the attack on Mosul was led by "losers" (great diplomacy there, fat ass), he has had to shut up.

At the moment, the Obama Presidency is an area of brightness between the incompetence of Bush on one hand, and Trump on the other.

Not that I think Obama was at his best in foreign affairs, but he made the best of a very bad hand starting off. He took his eye off Iraq, letting the Shia regime there slide into anarchy.
 
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One would assume that they're slightly more accurate now than in World War II. :roll:
Not much you can do to make dumb parachutes more accurate.
 

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Indeed. Plus this. Trump ended Obama's arming of Islamic "rebels" - effectively ISIS, hence smoothing over the standoff with Russia and weakening ISIS. Trump completely overturned the Obama policy in Syria.

And Owed wants to credit defeat of ISIS to Obama. FFS.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-ends-covert-cia-program-to-arm-anti-assad-rebels-in-syria-a-move-sought-by-moscow/2017/07/19/b6821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html?utm_term=.dde2559e110a

Trump ends covert CIA program to arm anti-Assad rebels in Syria, a move sought by Moscow

President Trump has decided to end the CIA’s covert program to arm and train moderate Syrian rebels battling the government of Bashar al-Assad, a move long sought by Russia, according to U.S. officials.

The program was a central plank of a policy begun by the Obama administration in 2013 to put pressure on Assad to step aside, but even its backers have questioned its efficacy since Russia deployed forces in Syria two years later.
 

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The Syrian Kurds, supplied and supported by the US, have been the only group consistently driving ISIS back on the ground over the last two years.

If Trump thought he could claim credit for Mosul and Raqqa, then he would, as quick as sh1t from a goose. Since he claimed that the attack on Mosul was led by "losers" (great diplomacy there, fat ass), he has had to shut up.

At the moment, the Obama Presidency is an area of brightness between the incompetence of Bush on one hand, and Trump on the other.

Not that I think Obama was at his best in foreign affairs, but he made the best of a very bad hand starting off. He took his eye off Iraq, letting the Shia regime there slide into anarchy.
As I documented and is well known.


The Obama policy oversaw the arming of Islamic fighters in Syria, created conflict with Russia and did nothing to facilitate Kurdish forces because of traditional and increasing concern from Turkey.


All of that was overcome in the last 12 months as Obama's policy's were thrown out and Trump policy implemented. It took 9 months ofr the new administration to clean up 8 years of Obama's mess.


You are a delusional buffoon.
 

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This was ISIS with the Kurds pinned down and under siege in Kobane , on the Turkish border, in 2014.

Now the Kurds and allies have fought back to drive ISIS from its capital. Trump was still at home watching porn while that was going on.

Dramatic footage shows Kurds fighting back against ISIS in besieged town - but the black flag is STILL flying despite American airstrikes
  • ISIS militants now control one third of Kobane, monitoring group claims
  • Terrorists launched overnight assaults, killing scores of Kurdish fighters
  • Chilling sight of the black flag of jihad clearly visible inside city this morning
  • American and Arab warplanes continue to pound ISIS targets with bombs
  • But Pentagon admits airstrikes are 'not going to be enough' to save Kobane

Read more: Footage shows Kurds fighting ISIS in Syria's Kobane | Daily Mail Online
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Of course it was.


Let's Googlify that nonsense, shall we? A quick trip down Google Lane, to 2016:


Russia and US in conflict in Syria (Hilary wanted to go to war with them, remember).
The US arming Islamic terrorists - yes, Obama was supporting ISIS, which he called "rebels" (a source of Russian unease with US policy in Syria).
Turkey about to invade to fight Kurds.



No, Obama mad a complete and utter balls up of it. The victory came because:

The supposed "Syrian rebels" were outed as ISIS and abandoned.
The Russia was placated politically
Turkey was placated politically.



None of that was going to happen under Obama. FFS, you will still be giving Obama credit for any positive thing that happens in the US or under US policy for the next 50 years.
He's right.
 

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And, no, it was not because of President Trump's "secret plan to defeat ISIS" which never existed. If there was any plan, it was hatched under President Obama, who was wary of sending large numbers of US troops to the region.

Rather than fighting to the death, at the end, ISIS fighters either surrendered, or fled.

Raqqa: What Next For ISIS After The Fall Of Its Capital to U.S.-Backed Forces?

But this is hardly the end of ISIS, or Daesh. Al Baghdadi is still at large, as far as we know, and its propaganda section, quite effective at radicalising some youth in the west, has probably melted away to fight again.

With ISIS out of the way, there is now a vacuum that the the Kurds, other Syrian rebels, Turkey and the Syrian state will be trying to fill.
Congratulations President Trump!:cool:
 

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I suppose it would be too much to hope Al Baghdadi is captured along with his entourage and put on trial for genocide against the Yazidis?

More likely, if cornered, he and his followers would prefer to be slaughtered.
 

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The chief credit has to go to the courage and discipline of the Kurdish fighters who drove them out of their most important cities in both Iraq and Syria.
Absolutely.

The Kurds have been the stoutest fighters against ISIS all along, and they are real freedom fighters.

Kudos to Trump for keeping them supplied, though no doubt National Security Adviser McMaster and Secretary of Defence Mattis deserve more credit.
 

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They should have stayed out of it in the first place Syria is not any westerners concern, will NATO please stop trying to go into the ME and toppling their governments it has only led to utter carnage.
 

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And, no, it was not because of President Trump's "secret plan to defeat ISIS" which never existed. If there was any plan, it was hatched under President Obama, who was wary of sending large numbers of US troops to the region.

Rather than fighting to the death, at the end, ISIS fighters either surrendered, or fled.

Raqqa: What Next For ISIS After The Fall Of Its Capital to U.S.-Backed Forces?

But this is hardly the end of ISIS, or Daesh. Al Baghdadi is still at large, as far as we know, and its propaganda section, quite effective at radicalising some youth in the west, has probably melted away to fight again.

With ISIS out of the way, there is now a vacuum that the the Kurds, other Syrian rebels, Turkey and the Syrian state will be trying to fill.
Well done President Trump.

Only nine months in office and you got these results that Obama failed at miserably.

So proud of you.
 

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I suppose it would be too much to hope Al Baghdadi is captured along with his entourage and put on trial for genocide against the Yazidis?

More likely, if cornered, he and his followers would prefer to be slaughtered.
He should be slowly tortured and torn from limb to limb in the slowest and most painful way possible.
 


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