Re-thinking Asylum


atkin8

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Ireland should offer asylum to women escaping the world's biggest women's prison - Saudi Arabia.

Canada's Trudeau gave an admirable speech today on the issue, following his country's welcome for that Saudi woman who was trapped in the airport in Bankok.

Those in our government who aspire to UN appreciation need to adopt a few principles, even if they don't believe in them.
We are not doing enough .
 

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RTE described lots of local outrage about the incident yet the only outraged people they could find to interview on camera were members of the local County Council. There was no consultation with local people about the location of this centre, just like there is no and was no consultation in every other town with a DP centre. They aren't refugees they are asylum seekers, mostly from Brazil, Pakistan and Nigeria, who flew over many safe countries to get here. The local council aren't getting the message that people don't want them in their community. I recall the ''local support'' in Lisdoonvarna for the DP centre, turned out all of the women they interviewed didn't even live in Clare let alone Lisdoonvarna.
 

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Ah yes. The tolerant left once again.
If you don't know what scab labour is you shouldn't be talking about work.end off
For a start I'm a centrist, and I know perfectly well what the term 'scab labour' is. I simply have no idea how you think it is relevant to a highly unionised employer like the NHS. You're talking utter crap.
Just pulling sh1t out of your arse and throwing it into the mix is not a sensible way to make your point. :lol:

NHS staff from 14 unions vote to accept three-year pay deal
 

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I'd guess for the same reason that British farmers can't find anyone other than overseas workers to pick fruit etc. - low wages in a dead end job.
Brexit: NHS nursing vacancies will top 51,000 by end of transition period in 2021, report warns | The Independent
Not true. The BBC interviewed people who have fruit farms, chicken farms and the like. All paid the living wage and included other perks but couldn't get British workers. Simply put expectations are higher for British people than Eastern Europeans who just need a job, any job.

RTE described lots of local outrage about the incident yet the only outraged people they could find to interview on camera were members of the local County Council. There was no consultation with local people about the location of this centre, just like there is no and was no consultation in every other town with a DP centre. They aren't refugees they are asylum seekers, mostly from Brazil, Pakistan and Nigeria, who flew over many safe countries to get here. The local council aren't getting the message that people don't want them in their community. I recall the ''local support'' in Lisdoonvarna for the DP centre, turned out all of the women they interviewed didn't even live in Clare let alone Lisdoonvarna.
I live in Clare and many many people are supportive. Many are naive open borders types, some lefties thrown in but many simply are Mark 1 human beings with enough empathy to genuinely want to help people in trouble and who, unlike you and other bigots on this thread, are not obsessed with skin colour.
 

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Ireland should offer asylum to women escaping the world's biggest women's prison - Saudi Arabia.

Canada's Trudeau gave an admirable speech today on the issue, following his country's welcome for that Saudi woman who was trapped in the airport in Bankok.

Those in our government who aspire to UN appreciation need to adopt a few principles, even if they don't believe in them.
So we offer Asylum to every wannabe female migrant who locks herself in the Bathroom?
 

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Not true. The BBC interviewed people who have fruit farms, chicken farms and the like. All paid the living wage and included other perks but couldn't get British workers. Simply put expectations are higher for British people than Eastern Europeans who just need a job, any job.
Well they claimed they did. Nobody is going to admit paying crap wages.It is not unreasonable to assume that these are low paid jobs mostly on the minimum wage which involve hard and monotonous work.
 

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So we offer Asylum to every wannabe female migrant who locks herself in the Bathroom?
Lets face it you don't want to offer to anyone who isn't white. Just admit it.
 

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Well they claimed they did. Nobody is going to admit paying crap wages.It is not unreasonable to assume that these are low paid jobs mostly on the minimum wage which involve hard and monotonous work.
The Beeb checked it out. Kosher.
 

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The Beeb checked it out. Kosher.
The UK living wage is £7.50 an hour, or £15K per annum. You can get that serving behind the counter in Poundland or in a pub, without breaking into a sweat.


I certainly wouldn't want to have to live on that. Would you?
 

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The UK living wage is £7.50 an hour, or £15K per annum. You can get that serving behind the counter in Poundland or in a pub, without breaking into a sweat.


I certainly wouldn't want to have to live on that. Would you?
That's the minimum wage.
 

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For a start I'm a centrist, and I know perfectly well what the term 'scab labour' is. I simply have no idea how you think it is relevant to a highly unionised employer like the NHS. You're talking utter crap.
Just pulling sh1t out of your arse and throwing it into the mix is not a sensible way to make your point. :lol:

NHS staff from 14 unions vote to accept three-year pay deal
Oh my aren't you feeling the love
You said the Irish hospitality sector would collapse
My point was there were very few immigrants working in it 20 years ago or 40 years ago
How come if didn't collapse.
Scab labour is brought in when the bosses want more profit
It can't happen if there is a limited labour force

There plenty scab labour in the hse
 

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I'd guess for the same reason that British farmers can't find anyone other than overseas workers to pick fruit etc. - low wages in a dead end job.
The reality in Ireland at the present time is that the Irish hospitality industry would collapse overnight if all the non-Irish employees went home tomorrow.
The NHS in the UK is already facing massive recruitment problems because of the Brexit nutters.

Brexit: NHS nursing vacancies will top 51,000 by end of transition period in 2021, report warns | The Independent
And why only circa 8 eastern Europeans.
Have you any theories on that.
They are quite happy to serve food in spar
 

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Oh my aren't you feeling the love
You said the Irish hospitality sector would collapse
My point was there were very few immigrants working in it 20 years ago or 40 years ago
How come if didn't collapse.
Scab labour is brought in when the bosses want more profit
It can't happen if there is a limited labour force

There plenty scab labour in the hse
Scab labour is a term used to describe workers prepared to take the jobs of striking workers. Your basic problem is that you don't know what scab labour is. In other words you are clueless.:)
 

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Scab labour is a term used to describe workers prepared to take the jobs of striking workers. Your basic problem is that you don't know what scab labour is. In other words you are clueless.:)

Oh your a very ratty today
Scab labour in real terms are workers who are prepared to work for less than what the person who is emplyed is getting. And will accept less conditions .
Traditionally scab labour was the terms used to describe strike breakers who were prepared to cross pickett lines.
But the world has moved on. What else do.you.call workers who are prepared to.work for.less than had previously been on offer

There was a strike in tesco last year
The Irish workers were outside with placards
While the scabs were still in working

This is the reality
 

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Scab labour is a term used to describe workers prepared to take the jobs of striking workers. Your basic problem is that you don't know what scab labour is. In other words you are clueless.:)

Oh your a very ratty today
Scab labour in real terms are workers who are prepared to work for less than what the person who is emplyed is getting. And will accept less conditions .
Traditionally scab labour was the terms used to describe strike breakers who were prepared to cross possible let lines.
But the world has moved on. What else do.you.call workers who are prepared to.work for.less than tHan had previously been on offer

There was a strike in tesco last year
The Irish workers were outside with placards
While the scabs were still in working

This is the reality
 

raetsel

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Oh your a very ratty today
In your delusional universe maybe. Not in the real world though. :)

Scab labour in real terms are workers who are prepared to work for less than what the person who is emplyed is getting. And will accept less conditions .
Traditionally scab labour was the terms used to describe strike breakers who were prepared to cross pickett lines.
But the world has moved on. What else do.you.call workers who are prepared to.work for.less than had previously been on offer

There was a strike in tesco last year
The Irish workers were outside with placards
While the scabs were still in working
scab | Definition from the Labour relations, unions topic | Labour relations, unions

an insulting word for someone who works while the other people in the same factory, office etc are on strike
 
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