Real agenda - return of the one party state we had during the pre-2010 celtic tiger era?

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I used to be a Labour supporter. That said the bias towards Labour in the RTE/INM media is not really fair to the other parties.
Joe Duffy practically operates as a Labour PR man.
Well perhaps you ought to reflect on the fact that this so-called Labour bias in RTE/IMN delivered Labour sweet feck all at the last GE.

And that you have a one-party state - FG technically in govt but supported by FF. Sure they will pretend to argue like cats and dogs over insignificant matters, but when it comes to sucking up what the Troika dictated and carrying on being good little foot soldiers in the Neo-Liberal world order, neither will be any different.

Not a cigarettes paper worth between the Tweedles, except in matters of presentation. Style over substance.

This country is run by an oligarchy, who wear different colours just to fool you. But they take their orders from their masters, and they are not Irish.
 


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The debate is wandering off the subject as is probably inevitable.

The debate has also been reduced to the usual partisan party political ************************e fest.

The basic facts, however, cannot be denied.

One political grouping was elected with media acclaim, continuously, in successive elections during the celtic tiger era.

If the alternative political grouping was elected continuously for the same length of time things could have been better or worse. But that is not the point.

The point is it was not a healthy democracy when any political grouping were having their arses licked by media for more than a decade in what was practically a one party state.

And so it proved. The insiders got arrogant and complacent. They thought they could walk on water as one commentator mentioned at the time.

Eventually the country and the financial institutions were bankrupt by their recklessness.

The symptoms of a return to the one party state, celtic tiger media mentality are there again now.

Irrespective of what the political grouping that is involved my opinion is that it is just as unwise and just as contrary to the interests of the ordinary citizen of this democratic republic now as it proved to be during the celtic tiger.

Reducing the debate to the usual partisan party political ************************e fest is also just as contrary to the interests of the ordinary citizen of this democratic republic.
Look shiel I think you can see that if even people on a political discussion website prefer to have the craic rather than discuss the complete failure/corruption of our fourth estate and will continue to do so, then its clear we are completely reckless as a civic society.

If you want to have a discussion about the underlying failures of the Irish state you have to start with where it comes from, which is the people themselves. In Ireland we are notorious for not really giving a ****. When it all goes belly up, which it has done regularly the Irish are determined to never learn.

In terms of the media, the pay cheque is dependent on being seen to be in. And you can't be in if you criticise the in crowd. For most of them its a way to pay the mortgage and pose as movers and shakers, they give as much of a **** ultimately as a drunk in a pub. Wasn't Davin Power on the piss with Cowen while the country went down the sewer?
 

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Majority govts have always been substantially corrupt. Elaine Byrne write a book about corruption in Ireland and I heard on the radio she said that decades ago a minister even sued a businessman for non payment of a promised bribe.
 

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The debate is wandering off the subject as is probably inevitable.

The debate has also been reduced to the usual partisan party political ************************e fest.

The basic facts, however, cannot be denied.

One political grouping was elected with media acclaim, continuously, in successive elections during the celtic tiger era.

If the alternative political grouping was elected continuously for the same length of time things could have been better or worse. But that is not the point.

The point is it was not a healthy democracy when any political grouping were having their arses licked by media for more than a decade in what was practically a one party state.

And so it proved. The insiders got arrogant and complacent. They thought they could walk on water as one commentator mentioned at the time.

Eventually the country and the financial institutions were bankrupt by their recklessness.

The symptoms of a return to the one party state, celtic tiger media mentality are there again now.

Irrespective of what the political grouping that is involved my opinion is that it is just as unwise and just as contrary to the interests of the ordinary citizen of this democratic republic now as it proved to be during the celtic tiger.

Reducing the debate to the usual partisan party political ************************e fest is also just as contrary to the interests of the ordinary citizen of this democratic republic.
What lazy BS. Most of the media was critical of FF during the 97-07 period, you're just blanking it from your memory. For every Sindo article praising FF there was an Irish Times high falutin liberal criticism. You're just blind to your own prejudice.
 
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[video=youtube;aENX1Sf3fgQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aENX1Sf3fgQ[/video]
 

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The debate is wandering off the subject as is probably inevitable.

The debate has also been reduced to the usual partisan party political ************************e fest.

The basic facts, however, cannot be denied.

One political grouping was elected with media acclaim, continuously, in successive elections during the celtic tiger era.

If the alternative political grouping was elected continuously for the same length of time things could have been better or worse. But that is not the point.

The point is it was not a healthy democracy when any political grouping were having their arses licked by media for more than a decade in what was practically a one party state.

And so it proved. The insiders got arrogant and complacent. They thought they could walk on water as one commentator mentioned at the time.

Eventually the country and the financial institutions were bankrupt by their recklessness.

The symptoms of a return to the one party state, celtic tiger media mentality are there again now.

Irrespective of what the political grouping that is involved my opinion is that it is just as unwise and just as contrary to the interests of the ordinary citizen of this democratic republic now as it proved to be during the celtic tiger.

Reducing the debate to the usual partisan party political ************************e fest is also just as contrary to the interests of the ordinary citizen of this democratic republic.
http://www.politics.ie/forum/econom...drawing-their-money-atms-113.html#post9738400

Give it over. You had a conniption on that thread when posters tried to bring you back to the topic of the OP. Yer foolin' no one! You're a selective shill who is just raging that the golden circle was in the hands of a party other than your own, that's all.
 

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What lazy BS. Most of the media was critical of FF during the 97-07 period, you're just blanking it from your memory. For every Sindo article praising FF there was an Irish Times high falutin liberal criticism. You're just blind to your own prejudice.
Nope, the entire media was telling the public that there was a real economic boom in this country when all we had from circa 2000/2001 was a credit boom the government was using to inflate spending to crazy levels. As you say any criticism was of a cosmetic variety.
 

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Nope, the entire media was telling the public that there was a real economic boom in this country when all we had from circa 2000/2001 was a credit boom the government was using to inflate spending to crazy levels. As you say any criticism was of a cosmetic variety.
Try again. Saying there was a boom was not the same as supporting FF.
 

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What lazy BS. Most of the media was critical of FF during the 97-07 period, you're just blanking it from your memory. For every Sindo article praising FF there was an Irish Times high falutin liberal criticism. You're just blind to your own prejudice.
No it most certainly was not. The IT tried for a while, but gave up the ghost.

Media criticism of the bubble was sporadic. The broadcast media was utterly dominated by shills talking up the latest piece of phoney data.

The only persistent economic voice against FF's C****c T***r charade was David McWilliams in the SBP.
 

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Look shiel I think you can see that if even people on a political discussion website prefer to have the craic rather than discuss the complete failure/corruption of our fourth estate and will continue to do so, then its clear we are completely reckless as a civic society.

If you want to have a discussion about the underlying failures of the Irish state you have to start with where it comes from, which is the people themselves. In Ireland we are notorious for not really giving a ****. When it all goes belly up, which it has done regularly the Irish are determined to never learn.
Sad, but true. We've never been able to shake off complacency, and a sense of fatalism.

Even today, we're still framing our growth in terms of GDP, which in our case is distorted by internal MNC activity.
 

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What lazy BS. Most of the media was critical of FF during the 97-07 period, you're just blanking it from your memory. For every Sindo article praising FF there was an Irish Times high falutin liberal criticism. You're just blind to your own prejudice.
I could paper the walls with quotes from celtic tiger media praising the government at the time and scoffing at the opposition.

The following are quotes from media on the pre-2002 election budget.

The finance minister was hailed as 'reveling in his bountiful stardom'.

The phrase was 'awash with cash'

'Two salaried families hit the jackpot'

The budget gave 'a guest bathroom and four wheel drive for him'

It gave 'real show off earrings for the missus'

It gave 'a small pony for the child'.

The minister was a 'runaway winner in the popularity stakes'

That was prior to the 2002 election.

The opposition was being described at about the same time as being 'as appetising as contracting the Ebola virus'.
 

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They're only beholden to plutocrats if they chose to be.

There is an agenda by the media, a liberal one that favors Labour but not the real lefties, hates SF and tolerates FF/FG. They're out of touch with the People of course, but when you have an incestious lazy media it's to be expected.
Why is being in touch with "de people" such a great thing? A disturbingly large proportion of "de people" are lazy and ignorant and are happy in their ignorance. They have no interest in real issues and are happy to be sold the same lies again and again. They believe that they can have everything for nothing and are happy to believe lying scum politicans who will tell them this.

There's a good case to be made, in fact, that "de people" deserve everything they get, and that in fact it's a good thing that real power lies in the hands of those intelligent and hard working enough to rule.
 

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I could paper the walls with quotes from celtic tiger media praising the government at the time and scoffing at the opposition.

The following are quotes from media on the pre-2002 election budget.

The finance minister was hailed as 'reveling in his bountiful stardom'.

The phrase was 'awash with cash'

'Two salaried families hit the jackpot'

The budget gave 'a guest bathroom and four wheel drive for him'

It gave 'real show off earrings for the missus'

It gave 'a small pony for the child'.

The minister was a 'runaway winner in the popularity stakes'

That was prior to the 2002 election.

The opposition was being described at about the same time as being 'as appetising as contracting the Ebola virus'.
Again, complete BS. If you can't differentiate between support for FF and newspaper fluff pieces about the boom then you need to develop a sense of perspective. And frankly, prior to 2002 the govt deserved a lot of praise.
 

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Essentially we always had a one party system given the nominal differences between FF/FG/Lab: the emergence of SF will not upset this as SF are steadily evolving into the same mould. The only realistic catalyst which can change the political hegemony on the island is an end to partition and given that all the main parties in the 26 Counties have identical policies on Unity it's not going to come about any time soon.
How would an end to partition change anything except introduce a bunch of disgruntled former Unionist parties into the mix?
 

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I used to be a Labour supporter. That said the bias towards Labour in the RTE/INM media is not really fair to the other parties.
Joe Duffy practically operates as a Labour PR man.
Even if that's true, a fat lot of good it has done them!
 

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Redacted wouldn't mind a FF government even if his first beloved party are the Blueshirts.

FF will be back in power shortly cheered on by the Media when they will inevitably destroy the economy again.
To be fair FF gave us a mighty boom which took the country from relative poverty to relative wealth. A lot of the gains are still with us. Credit where credit is due. FG are the best option if you are in the wealthiest section of people and are looking out for your interests but FF back in power is not the end of the world.
 

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The debate is wandering off the subject as is probably inevitable.

The debate has also been reduced to the usual partisan party political ************************e fest.

The basic facts, however, cannot be denied.

One political grouping was elected with media acclaim, continuously, in successive elections during the celtic tiger era.

If the alternative political grouping was elected continuously for the same length of time things could have been better or worse. But that is not the point.

The point is it was not a healthy democracy when any political grouping were having their arses licked by media for more than a decade in what was practically a one party state.

And so it proved. The insiders got arrogant and complacent. They thought they could walk on water as one commentator mentioned at the time.

Eventually the country and the financial institutions were bankrupt by their recklessness.

The symptoms of a return to the one party state, celtic tiger media mentality are there again now.

Irrespective of what the political grouping that is involved my opinion is that it is just as unwise and just as contrary to the interests of the ordinary citizen of this democratic republic now as it proved to be during the celtic tiger.

Reducing the debate to the usual partisan party political ************************e fest is also just as contrary to the interests of the ordinary citizen of this democratic republic.
For a 1000 years Ireland was relatively speaking one of the poorest countries in Europe. During the Celtic Tiger era this changed to Ireland being one of the wealthiest.
It was literally Ireland's Golden Age.
In my home village a lovely brand new primary school was built with a creche where children could get pre-school education for the first time ever. Also a new playground. Also in the local town new Tesco, Lidl and Aldi stores were built whereas before people only had a crappy spar to shop in.
In the local town a brand new Primary Care Centre was built with a range of Health Services provided.
A sewage treatment plant was built whereas before ************************ used to flow directly into the local river.
Within 4 miles of the village a brand new motorway between Dublin and Cork was built.
Several housing estates were built in the local town and even 1 in my home village so people could have nice modern homes to live in.
All of this stuff happened during the boom and was only possible becuase the money flowed like the Niagara Falls into Ireland. It was allowed to flow by our European friends. Thanks to them!
Yes the bubble burst in the end but they can't take all of that stuff away from us now.
Is it any wonder that the Government in place during such a great era was continually re-elected?.
 
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Well perhaps you ought to reflect on the fact that this so-called Labour bias in RTE/IMN delivered Labour sweet feck all at the last GE.

And that you have a one-party state - FG technically in govt but supported by FF. Sure they will pretend to argue like cats and dogs over insignificant matters, but when it comes to sucking up what the Troika dictated and carrying on being good little foot soldiers in the Neo-Liberal world order, neither will be any different.

Not a cigarettes paper worth between the Tweedles, except in matters of presentation. Style over substance.

This country is run by an oligarchy, who wear different colours just to fool you. But they take their orders from their masters, and they are not Irish.
Exactly.

Sad to see people continually fall for the same old tricks and theatre. :roll:
 
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For a 1000 years Ireland was relatively speaking one of the poorest countries in Europe. During the Celtic Tiger era this changed to Ireland being one of the wealthiest.
It was literally Ireland's Golden Age.
In my home village a lovely brand new primary school was built with a creche where children could get pre-school education for the first time ever. Also a new playground. Also in the local town new Tesco, Lidl and Aldi stores were built whereas before people only had a crappy spar to shop in.
In the local town a brand new Primary Care Centre was built with a range of Health Services provided.
A sewage treatment plant was built whereas before ************************ used to flow directly into the local river.
Within 4 miles of the village a brand new motorway between Dublin and Cork was built.
Several housing estates were built in the local town and even 1 in my home village so people could have nice modern homes to live in.
All of this stuff happened during the boom and was only possible becuase the money flowed like the Niagara Falls into Ireland. It was allowed to flow by our European friends. Thanks to them!
Yes the bubble burst in the end but they can't take all of that stuff away from us now.
Is it any wonder that the Government in place during such a great era was continually re-elected?.
:)
 
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I could paper the walls with quotes from celtic tiger media praising the government at the time and scoffing at the opposition.

The following are quotes from media on the pre-2002 election budget.

The finance minister was hailed as 'reveling in his bountiful stardom'.

The phrase was 'awash with cash'

'Two salaried families hit the jackpot'

The budget gave 'a guest bathroom and four wheel drive for him'

It gave 'real show off earrings for the missus'

It gave 'a small pony for the child'.

The minister was a 'runaway winner in the popularity stakes'

That was prior to the 2002 election.

The opposition was being described at about the same time as being 'as appetising as contracting the Ebola virus'.
Imagine an alternate Universe with FG leading us down the path of good intentions. Do you think the media's output would have been any different?
 


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