Red Faces in Moscow as AK47 exposed as copy of Nazi Sturmgewehr 44 (StG 44) assault rifle!

Catalpast

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Oh Dear!

Looks like the famous (or infamous) AK47 assault rifle is not quite the original that many think it is.

There is a hasty makeover underway in the Russian Capital as 'A metal bas-relief behind a statue of Kalashnikov depicts the AK-47 and other weapons all supposedly designed by the engineer, who died in 2013.

But embarrassed sculptor Salavat Shcherbakov had to admit that among them was the Sturmgewehr 44 (StG 44) assault rifle used by Nazi troops.'
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/22/kalashnikov-statue-to-be-altered-after-sculptors-monumental-error


I'm sure its just a coincidence - but can you spot the Difference?
 


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Oh Dear!

Looks like the famous (or infamous) AK47 assault rifle is not quite the original that many think it is.

There is a hasty makeover underway in the Russian Capital as 'A metal bas-relief behind a statue of Kalashnikov depicts the AK-47 and other weapons all supposedly designed by the engineer, who died in 2013.

But embarrassed sculptor Salavat Shcherbakov had to admit that among them was the Sturmgewehr 44 (StG 44) assault rifle used by Nazi troops.'
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/22/kalashnikov-statue-to-be-altered-after-sculptors-monumental-error


I'm sure its just a coincidence - but can you spot the Difference?
The sturmgewehr never got elected as a T.D in Tipperary....:rolleyes:
 

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Oh Dear!

Looks like the famous (or infamous) AK47 assault rifle is not quite the original that many think it is.

There is a hasty makeover underway in the Russian Capital as 'A metal bas-relief behind a statue of Kalashnikov depicts the AK-47 and other weapons all supposedly designed by the engineer, who died in 2013.

But embarrassed sculptor Salavat Shcherbakov had to admit that among them was the Sturmgewehr 44 (StG 44) assault rifle used by Nazi troops.'
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/22/kalashnikov-statue-to-be-altered-after-sculptors-monumental-error


I'm sure its just a coincidence - but can you spot the Difference?
The StG44 could be used for sniping and they do look different.
 

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Superficially perhaps

But if Google designed one

- and Microsoft the other

- a Law Suit would be pending....:D
If Google designed one, the bullets would end up killing the wrong person.
If Microsoft designed one, it would have to be stripped down and reloaded after every shot. :)

The Soviets and the Germans did have some sub machine guns in WW2. The Germans seem to have gone with superior engineering whereas the AK47 was built for relatively poorly trained troops and robustness. There was a difference in design philosophies.
 

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did one of them fail the EU "bendy Banana" regulation over the ammo clips?
 

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Oh Dear!

Looks like the famous (or infamous) AK47 assault rifle is not quite the original that many think it is.

There is a hasty makeover underway in the Russian Capital as 'A metal bas-relief behind a statue of Kalashnikov depicts the AK-47 and other weapons all supposedly designed by the engineer, who died in 2013.

But embarrassed sculptor Salavat Shcherbakov had to admit that among them was the Sturmgewehr 44 (StG 44) assault rifle used by Nazi troops.'
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/22/kalashnikov-statue-to-be-altered-after-sculptors-monumental-error


I'm sure its just a coincidence - but can you spot the Difference?
So is Kelly really a Nazi in disguise?
 

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Interestingly 5000 of them turned up during the syrian civil war. Rebels took a govt base and liberated a stockpile of weapons the syrians bought from europe after ww2
 

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did one of them fail the EU "bendy Banana" regulation over the ammo clips?
Yeah, the barrel on the Russian one had a trombone design slide resulting in the operator blowing his brains out.
AK47 blows his own as we all know.
 

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Silly comparison might as well argue that Kalashnikov copied the Brown Bess. He designed around the concept of an assault rifle. His original design was improved by incorporating the best parts of the Stg44.
https://www.forgottenweapons.com/ak-and-stg-kissing-cousins/

Just because it has a barrel and a magazine doesn't make them identical.
 
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This story is hardly news as I recall reading about it decades ago. Isn't the STG-44 a lot heavier? The free market has since spoken loud and clear on which is better. Once more, we see how adaptable the Soviets were when it came to war at least.
 

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They look very different to my eye. A passing superficial similarity perhaps but any kind of close inspection reveals they are vastly different.
 

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In that pic the AK also looks much simpler which has been its major selling point ever since.
 
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In that pic the AK also looks much simpler which has been its major selling point ever since.
Its hard not to come to the conclusion that the AK47 would never have come to pass

- without the existence of the Nazi Gun.
 

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Its not surprising in a way because of in the 20's Germany and the USSR had a secret Treaty of Rapallo allowing the USSR access to German military technology in return for the Germans having access to Soviet territory for training their troops and testing their technology. Its a fair bet the Cheka and NKVD were interested in learning from German tactics and technology they saw close at hand.
 
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Interestingly 5000 of them turned up during the syrian civil war. Rebels took a govt base and liberated a stockpile of weapons the syrians bought from europe after ww2
Mad eh, intended for the SS in 45 and ends up in the ends of Nazis in 2015.
 


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