Rees-Mogg declares for fascism

GrimReefer

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From Brussels must be warned of cost of no-deal Brexit, says Rees-Mogg

"“There is a problem with the House of Lords, which is it is very condescending towards the democratic vote. It seems to think that they know better than 17.4 million people,” he said. “When it challenges the democratic will, as it is doing now, then we get fed up with it and think it has very little legitimacy and needs to be challenged. Their lordships are playing with fire and it would be a shame to burn down a historic House.”"

A hallmark of movement to fascism is the disdain for civil institutions, and their subversion through appeals to "direct" democracy.

Legitimacy is declared as that which agrees with ideology, and dissension makes of you an enemy of the people. 17.4 million people in this example (but not 65 million I think is a bit of a slip up for Rees-Mogg, less than a third of the population gave the mandate to which he refers).

We have moved far beyond dog-whistles, Rees-Mogg says (a bit like a certain alleged intimidating gentleman in a car park to a Trump-bonking mother with a daughter) it would be a shame if anything bad were to happen to the House of Lords.

It would be a "shame" to burn it down... Burn it down, folks. Burn. It. Down.

England, snap out of it!
 


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From Brussels must be warned of cost of no-deal Brexit, says Rees-Mogg

"“There is a problem with the House of Lords, which is it is very condescending towards the democratic vote. It seems to think that they know better than 17.4 million people,” he said. “When it challenges the democratic will, as it is doing now, then we get fed up with it and think it has very little legitimacy and needs to be challenged. Their lordships are playing with fire and it would be a shame to burn down a historic House.”"

A hallmark of movement to fascism is the disdain for civil institutions, and their subversion through appeals to "direct" democracy.

Legitimacy is declared as that which agrees with ideology, and dissension makes of you an enemy of the people. 17.4 million people in this example (but not 65 million I think is a bit of a slip up for Rees-Mogg, less than a third of the population gave the mandate to which he refers).

We have moved far beyond dog-whistles, Rees-Mogg says (a bit like a certain alleged intimidating gentleman in a car park to a Trump-bonking mother with a daughter) it would be a shame if anything bad were to happen to the House of Lords.

It would be a "shame" to burn it down... Burn it down, folks. Burn. It. Down.

England, snap out of it!
The House of Lords is an unelected relic of feudalism.

On the other hand when it had a massive Tory majority before Tony Blair abolished the hereditary peer seats (though 91 were allowed remain out of 2000 or so), it was Labour that used to complain about them.
 
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I think he means that by trying to go against a referendum, the unelected, elitist HoL may end up undermining its own legitimacy further in the eyes of the public and lead to its eventual destruction.

A similar event occurred when the HoL opposed the People's Budget in 1909. It didn't end well for the HoL.
 

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He’s right but for the wrong reasons, the HOL should be abolished as it’s a fundamentally anti-democratic and elitist institution which the average citizen is barred from. If we’re being honest the whole class and titles system is, it should be abolished. Trying to shut down public/institutional debate on a matter of extreme domestic & international sensitivity reeks more of fascism and is ironically the kind of behaviour Rees-Mogg and conservatives of most stripes routinely accuse left-wing parties & supporters of.
 

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We should deffo go full democracy and remove the ban on titles from our Constitution. Imagine Lord Aherne, Lord Kenny, Lord Cowen running things. Brilliant!
 

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We should deffo go full democracy and remove the ban on titles from our Constitution. Imagine Lord Aherne, Lord Kenny, Lord Cowen running things. Brilliant!
Damn right, and while we're at it, what's with:
The Royal Irish Academy;
The Royal Irish Academy of Music;
The Royal Hibernian Academy;
The Royal Dublin Society;
The Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland;
The Royal College of Physicians of Ireland.
The Royal Institute of the Architects of Ireland.

Do they think that this independence/Republic malarkey is a passing fad?

The time to rename these institutions has come.
 

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From Brussels must be warned of cost of no-deal Brexit, says Rees-Mogg

"“There is a problem with the House of Lords, which is it is very condescending towards the democratic vote. It seems to think that they know better than 17.4 million people,” he said. “When it challenges the democratic will, as it is doing now, then we get fed up with it and think it has very little legitimacy and needs to be challenged. Their lordships are playing with fire and it would be a shame to burn down a historic House.”"

A hallmark of movement to fascism is the disdain for civil institutions, and their subversion through appeals to "direct" democracy.

Legitimacy is declared as that which agrees with ideology, and dissension makes of you an enemy of the people. 17.4 million people in this example (but not 65 million I think is a bit of a slip up for Rees-Mogg, less than a third of the population gave the mandate to which he refers).

We have moved far beyond dog-whistles, Rees-Mogg says (a bit like a certain alleged intimidating gentleman in a car park to a Trump-bonking mother with a daughter) it would be a shame if anything bad were to happen to the House of Lords.

It would be a "shame" to burn it down... Burn it down, folks. Burn. It. Down.

England, snap out of it!
If he's opposing the HoL he's anti-fascist surely.
 

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Damn right, and while we're at it, what's with:
The Royal Irish Academy;
The Royal Irish Academy of Music;
The Royal Hibernian Academy;
The Royal Dublin Society;
The Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland;
The Royal College of Physicians of Ireland.
The Royal Institute of the Architects of Ireland.

Do they think that this independence/Republic malarkey is a passing fad?

The time to rename these institutions has come.
And the lifeboats, you forgot the lifeboats.
 

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Could I finish having my morning coffee in peace in my Royal Doulton cup before I go get some diesel at the Royal Dutch Shell station?


This is getting me totally royalled up.
 

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From Brussels must be warned of cost of no-deal Brexit, says Rees-Mogg

"“There is a problem with the House of Lords, which is it is very condescending towards the democratic vote. It seems to think that they know better than 17.4 million people,” he said. “When it challenges the democratic will, as it is doing now, then we get fed up with it and think it has very little legitimacy and needs to be challenged. Their lordships are playing with fire and it would be a shame to burn down a historic House.”"

A hallmark of movement to fascism is the disdain for civil institutions, and their subversion through appeals to "direct" democracy.

Legitimacy is declared as that which agrees with ideology, and dissension makes of you an enemy of the people. 17.4 million people in this example (but not 65 million I think is a bit of a slip up for Rees-Mogg, less than a third of the population gave the mandate to which he refers).

We have moved far beyond dog-whistles, Rees-Mogg says (a bit like a certain alleged intimidating gentleman in a car park to a Trump-bonking mother with a daughter) it would be a shame if anything bad were to happen to the House of Lords.

It would be a "shame" to burn it down... Burn it down, folks. Burn. It. Down.

England, snap out of it!
So when we tried to get rid of the seanaid that was an epic struggle between fascists and democrats?

Snap out of it is right
 

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Enemies of the people.
 

Mick Mac

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Damn right, and while we're at it, what's with:
The Royal Irish Academy;
The Royal Irish Academy of Music;
The Royal Hibernian Academy;
The Royal Dublin Society;
The Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland;
The Royal College of Physicians of Ireland.
The Royal Institute of the Architects of Ireland.

Do they think that this independence/Republic malarkey is a passing fad?

The time to rename these institutions has come.
You get that Ireland has been multi cultural for a long time and this is part of our cultural space with many people warmly celebratingan Irish identity that includes what you have listed.

Don't be so narrow minded. Ireland is a plural space.
 

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Your not thinking straight lads. What we want is our own Royalty.

We already have our House of Lords ie. the Seanad. Now we need a family that

can serve unopposed for ever, with the next generation of the family taking over

as the parents 'pass on'.

Wouldn't it be great fun. Think of the newspapers following the younger members

of the family around! Think of the scandals!

We don't know what we are missing.
 

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The British Royality and Establishment, stand only behind the Catholic Church in its baleful influence on the world.:mad:
 

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Damn right, and while we're at it, what's with:
The Royal Irish Academy;
The Royal Irish Academy of Music;
The Royal Hibernian Academy;
The Royal Dublin Society;
The Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland;
The Royal College of Physicians of Ireland.
The Royal Institute of the Architects of Ireland.

Do they think that this independence/Republic malarkey is a passing fad?

The time to rename these institutions has come.
Marvellous: perhaps
On-topic: Emmm, no
 


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