Referendum to amend property rights to allow government address housing crisis?

ger12

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Amend the constitution to allow a government to regulate the housing sector. We're told that government are restricted in what they can do, so change that.

http://www.supremecourt.ie/supremecourt/sclibrary3.nsf/(WebFiles)/7FC625DAD10A956C802575F3002D6B7E/$FILE/Housing_%5B1983%5D%20IR%20181.htm

Let's face it, it's absolutely shocking out there, morally wrong. IMO government policy since 2011 has been to foster the current situation in order to refinance the banks through the back door. And Labour most shockingly enabled this until this year.

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.thejournal.ie/readme/rory-hearne-housing-crisis-ireland-3081213-Nov2016/?amp=1?client=safari
Very compelling article by Dr Rory Hearne above, senior policy analyst with the independent think-tank TASC.

Time to demand we address this through a constitutional referendum leaving any government with no excuse to act to ensure that rents are not strangling our citizens?

And ffs, get moving on a site evulation tax ...

Ronan Lyons: A site-value tax rewards those who use land well and punishes speculators and land-hoarders - Independent.ie

Maybe there are posters here who would argue the end justifies the means?
 
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Good idea!:cool:

But would it be in line with EU Law?

Methinks not...

Anyway could you really see FF & FG ever backing such a move?
 

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What specifically are you proposing?
 

ShoutingIsLeadership

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Not needed. We already CPO private land, to build roads. Same constitution...the public good. It's a lack of will.
 

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Councils already have sufficient CPO powers in my opinion, simply use them and provide the funding. Reading the Dail debate yesterday re latest planning bill yet again this stuff was trotted out 'on advice of attorney general ... 2019. This sage advice should be published so we can all understand.
 

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Maybe we should do some proper planning and limit local authority housing to citizens or people who have resided here for 5 years or more.
 

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Next time elect politicians who care more about people than their wealthy sponsors, who care that we're back to the days of mass evictions in winter.

This government gives more to racing dogs than it gives to the homeless.

If the political will existed to tackle the homeless and rent crises they would be solved in a heartbeat.
 

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Just fúcking build.
Really, it's not that difficult.
We built 90k units in 2006.
We can build half that now.

Just don't screw the price up with VAT & other government taxes so that people can actually afford them without having a noose around their neck for the rest of their lives.

Limit mortgages to 20 years.
Interest & capital repayments only.
3.5 times income.
3 times combined income if joint mortgage.

Not that fúcking difficult.
 

ger12

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Good idea!:cool:

But would it be in line with EU Law?

Methinks not...

Anyway could you really see FF & FG ever backing such a move?
What EU law are you referring to?
 

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Councils already have sufficient CPO powers in my opinion, simply use them and provide the funding. Reading the Dail debate yesterday re latest planning bill yet again this stuff was trotted out 'on advice of attorney general ... 2019. This sage advice should be published so we can all understand.
The AG is a patsy.
 

ger12

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Not needed. We already CPO private land, to build roads. Same constitution...the public good. It's a lack of will.
It's not a lack of will. It's a determined policy to refinance the banks through the back door.

The resulting horror of the housing crisis is the collateral damage.
 

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Strengthen the ability of the government to intervene in the interests of the common good.
This government doesn't 'do' the common good.

If the rent and homeless crises affected the politicians we'd see Dail emergency sessions and emergency legislation. This "nothing to do with me" act will eventually bite Kenny where he sits. As of now he'll be remembered as the Taoiseach who oversaw the advent of the Sheriff and the smashed hall door.

Ireland 2016
 

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This government doesn't 'do' the common good.

If the rent and homeless crises affected the politicians we'd see Dail emergency sessions and emergency legislation. This "nothing to do with me" act will eventually bite Kenny where he sits. As of now he'll be remembered as the Taoiseach who oversaw the advent of the Sheriff and the smashed hall door.



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Ireland is one of the best countries in the World to fall into mortgage arrears. There have been a minuscule number of evictions since 2008.
 

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Ireland is one of the best countries in the World to fall into mortgage arrears. There have been a minuscule number of evictions since 2008.
Which is half the problem now - banks don't want to lend if they're not going to get their money back.

We always suffer later when we take the easy option.
 

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Next time elect politicians who care more about people than their wealthy sponsors, who care that we're back to the days of mass evictions in winter.
No we're not. Don't be silly.

This government gives more to racing dogs than it gives to the homeless.
Wrong again.
 

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Which is half the problem now - banks don't want to lend if they're not going to get their money back.

We always suffer later when we take the easy option.
I must default on my mortgage, what are the chances my house will be repossessed, paying the full mortgage each month is for fools.
 
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Strengthen the ability of the government to intervene in the interests of the common good.
I said "specifically". By your logic, the all-encroaching "common good" could entitle the State to take single people's houses from them and give them to homeless families, and stick the single people into apartment blocks in the middle of nowhere. If you're proposing constitutional change it has to be specific, not waffly nonsense that could be interpreted any way in the world.
 


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