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Reforming Nationality Law: Irish Citizenship by blood through a single generation.

Hans Von Horn

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The real effect of being an EU Member state is that 26 other EU States can admit residents to the EU, and allow them to come and reside in Ireland, to avail of the Bounty of our land.


Within our own borders we have a very permissive Citizenship Law. Anyone claiming an Irish Grandparent can claim Citizenship even if that person had abandoned Ireland more then 100 years ago.

Merely being born on the Island of Ireland should not be enough in itself to qualify for Irish Citizenship, the notion of "Jus Soli" the right of the soil.

It would be reasonable to restrict Irish Citizenship to first generation Children born of Irish Citizens, and to spouses of Irish Citizens who wished to Naturalise provided that their marriage had endured for a real period of cohabitation such as five years.

Only the first generation of Children born outside the UK to British Parents are eligible to become British Citizens provided the mother was married to a British Citizen at the time of Birth.

The Italians too have a Blood Citizenship law too Jus Sanguinis.

There is of course place for Foreign Workers in Ireland but that place should be limited to bringing high value skills to Ireland. Work Visas should be limited to people who make €50k plus per year without opportunity for Naturalisation.

Minister Varadkar has warned recently that we will be challenged to maintain the current level of Bounty for our Pensioners. 47% of workforce will only receive State pension - RTÉ News

We must now take prudent steps and ensure that the Bounty of our Land can be nurtured and not squandered to ensure that the people who are the natural beneficiaries of that bounty benefit to their Blood Right.
 


Hunter-Gatherer

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Eirexit....and you can legislate whatever you want. Stay in the EU , follow France down the swanny.
 

Dame_Enda

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We should legislate to remove Irish citizenship from dual citizens who commit acts of Jihadist terrorism
 

OrderoftheDragon

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We should legislate to remove Irish citizenship from dual citizens who commit acts of Jihadist terrorism
We should go a lot further than that and remove it from people who do not wish to assimilate into our way of life and are actively anti western.
 

statsman

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to avail of the Bounty of our land
And there was I thinking we were f#cked.

Anyway, I suppose it's nice to see the 1930s making a comeback. Sort of.
 

Hunter-Gatherer

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Speak Gaeilge up to Leaving Cert standard, get irish citizenship whatever your colour. No gaeilge, no dole for immigrants.
 

Hans Von Horn

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Speak Gaeilge up to Leaving Cert standard, get irish citizenship whatever your colour. No gaeilge, no dole for immigrants.
Why would we import Immigrants who need dole?
 

Hitchcock

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Speak Gaeilge up to Leaving Cert standard, get irish citizenship whatever your colour. No gaeilge, no dole for immigrants.
Why would we apply this standard that many of the indigenous population don't meet?
 

Hitchcock

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We should legislate to remove Irish citizenship from dual citizens who commit acts of Jihadist terrorism
How many of them have there been?
 

gleeful

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The real effect of being an EU Member state is that 26 other EU States can admit residents to the EU, and allow them to come and reside in Ireland, to avail of the Bounty of our land.


Within our own borders we have a very permissive Citizenship Law. Anyone claiming an Irish Grandparent can claim Citizenship even if that person had abandoned Ireland more then 100 years ago.

Merely being born on the Island of Ireland should not be enough in itself to qualify for Irish Citizenship, the notion of "Jus Soli" the right of the soil.

It would be reasonable to restrict Irish Citizenship to first generation Children born of Irish Citizens, and to spouses of Irish Citizens who wished to Naturalise provided that their marriage had endured for a real period of cohabitation such as five years.

Only the first generation of Children born outside the UK to British Parents are eligible to become British Citizens provided the mother was married to a British Citizen at the time of Birth.

The Italians too have a Blood Citizenship law too Jus Sanguinis.

There is of course place for Foreign Workers in Ireland but that place should be limited to bringing high value skills to Ireland. Work Visas should be limited to people who make €50k plus per year without opportunity for Naturalisation.

Minister Varadkar has warned recently that we will be challenged to maintain the current level of Bounty for our Pensioners. 47% of workforce will only receive State pension - RTÉ News

We must now take prudent steps and ensure that the Bounty of our Land can be nurtured and not squandered to ensure that the people who are the natural beneficiaries of that bounty benefit to their Blood Right.

Did you miss the citizenship referendum back in 2004?
 

Hans Von Horn

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OrderoftheDragon

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Did you miss the citizenship referendum back in 2004?
That was only to remove the automatic right by being born on the island, alan shatter was still giving it out like smarties after that.
 

gleeful

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That was only to remove the automatic right by being born on the island, alan shatter was still giving it out like smarties after that.
Its given out 'like smarties' to people who've lived, worked and paid tax here for 5 years or more. And who pay around €200 to apply and €950 to get it.

Them smarties aint cheap.
 

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I think that ultimately Europe is going to have to put an end to naturalisation. There are too many problems arising with the rise in terrorist attacks being carried out by foreign nationals living in Europe. There needs to be a change to the system whereby something like a visa system is introduced and people have to have their status reviewed regularly, anyone who is convicted of a criminal offence or who is suspected of involvement in terrorism is automatically deported, no trial, no appeal, simply arrested, put on a plane and gone back to wherever they came from.
 

Hans Von Horn

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I think that ultimately Europe is going to have to put an end to naturalisation. There are too many problems arising with the rise in terrorist attacks being carried out by foreign nationals living in Europe. There needs to be a change to the system whereby something like a visa system is introduced and people have to have their status reviewed regularly, anyone who is convicted of a criminal offence or who is suspected of involvement in terrorism is automatically deported, no trial, no appeal, simply arrested, put on a plane and gone back to wherever they came from.
Anything beyond that is taking an extraordinary risk with the future.
 

Felixness

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Yes. No Naturalisation other than Spouses after a real term marriage.
Even then it's not necessary. My husband is English and we were discussing this the other night because his passport needs renewing in the next few months. He doesn't want to change the nationality on his passport, he considers himself English not British and certainly wouldn't be particularly interested in politics. Spouses rights are protected under law, there's no need for naturalisation.
 


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