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Refugees and asylum seekers, coming soon to a place near you


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Last month Minister Alan Kelly signed off on a change to our planning exemption laws which has largely gone under the radar. In essence, existing places used for guest accommodation can be used for the housing of refugees and asylum seekers, temporary or otherwise, without needing planning permission, as emergency reception and orientation centres (EROCs). The circular from the Department states:

The primary purpose of the Regulations is to insert 4 new classes of exempted development into Class 14 of Schedule 2, Part 1 of the Principal Regulations which have the effect that the changes of use specified in the new classes below are exempted from the requirement to obtain planning permission:
- Class 14(g) – change of use of a premises (defined as hotel, motel, hostel, guesthouse, holiday accommodation, convent, monastery, Defence Forces barracks or residential institution providing overnight accommodation, or part thereof from a hotel to hostel (other than a hostel where care is provided);
- Class 14(h) – change of use of various forms of premises providing residential or overnight accommodation for “protected persons” i.e. refugees and asylum seekers defined in accordance with relevant legislation for which the Minister for Justice and Law Reform is responsible. This new class of exempted development will particularly assist in the implementation of the Government’s Irish Refugee Protection Programme (IRRP) as part of the Irish contribution to the EU Relocation Programme for Migrants;
Class 14(i) - change of use of various forms of premises providing overnight accommodation for use as emergency reception and orientation centres (EROCs) for refugees and asylum seekers. A network of EROCs is being established by the Department of Justice and Law Reform for the initial reception of persons arriving in Ireland under the IRPP; and
- Classs 14(j) – return of premises, the use of which changed under an exemption un class 14(h) or 14(i), to their permitted use immediately prior to that change of use. It is a condition of this class that the exemption from planning permission will apply for a period of 3 years only from the date of commencement of the change of use exempted under Class 14(h) or 14(i) or both.

The definitions of “business premises” and “excluded premises” in article 5(1) of the Principal Regulations have also been amended in support of the above changes to remove the distinction in those definitions between a hotel and a hostel.
This seems to be removing your right per the normal planning application process to object, thereby exercising your democratic right to protect your residential amenity. What say p.ie to this trampling of your rights at the behest of the 'open gates' lobby?

Edit: http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2015/si/582/made/en/pdf
 
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This seems to be removing your right per the normal planning application process to object
On what planning grounds would it be reasonable to object to a hotel, motel, hostel, guesthouse, holiday accommodation, convent, monastery, barracks or residential institution providing accommodation to refugees or asylum seekers?
 

Equinox

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Well there are a lot of his hotellier mates in NAMA that are in need of a bailout and fancy some of that Mosney money.
 

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They're very welcome, however, for refugees to be successfully integrated we need buy in and support from local communities. Open and honest communication between government and communities.
 

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Last month Minister Alan Kelly signed off on a change to our planning exemption laws which has largely gone under the radar. In essence, existing places used for guest accommodation can be used for the housing of refugees and asylum seekers, temporary or otherwise, without needing planning permission, as emergency reception and orientation centres (EROCs). The circular from the Department states:



This seems to be removing your right per the normal planning application process to object, thereby exercising your democratic right to protect your residential amenity. What say p.ie to this trampling of your rights at the behest of the 'open gates' lobby?

Note: There is no link or official release to date of these changes which was signed on 17/12/2015 by Minister Kelly per SI No. 582 of 2015 on the Department of the Environment website or the merrionstreet.ie website.
S.I. No. 582/2015 - Planning and Development (Amendment) (No. 4) Regulations 2015. as you said signed on the 17th of December Irish Statute Book a draft of which was published on the 9th of December http://opac.oireachtas.ie/AWData/Library3/eclgdoclaid091215_181853.pdf http://www.irisoifigiuil.ie/currentissues/IR010116-1.pdf notice of published in Iris Oifiguil on Jan 1st


I've been posting and tweeting about it no national coverage
 
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On what planning grounds would it be reasonable to object to a hotel, motel, hostel, guesthouse, holiday accommodation, convent, monastery, barracks or residential institution providing accommodation to refugees or asylum seekers?
Material change of user, incompatibility with local area plan, traffic requirements, impact on local facilities eg schools, etc.
 

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They're very welcome, however, for refugees to be successfully integrated we need buy in and support from local communities. Open and honest communication between government and communities.
Why?
 

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Material change of user, incompatibility with local area plan, traffic requirements, impact on local facilities eg schools, etc.
Your first one is interesting. The rest are irrelevant, these planning decisions already exist.

What do you mean 'material change of user'? It could be interpreted as plain auld racism
 

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the overwhelming majority of Irish people are happy to play their part in helping war refugees and will welcome and integrate them. Not everyone is as angry as you
 

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On what planning grounds would it be reasonable to object to a hotel, motel, hostel, guesthouse, holiday accommodation, convent, monastery, barracks or residential institution providing accommodation to refugees or asylum seekers?
Is there were no grounds, then why are they changing the rules?
 

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An asylum seeker is suing the state, claiming he has been served up sickening food at a Waterford refugee centre. The Irish Daily Mail reports that 36 yer old Zineedine Kelbouz believes his health has been damaged by food he has eaten. He had been staying at Waterford's Viking House but was moved to another centre in Longford after allegedly making an abusive remark to staff after he was refused the option of yogurt and bananna for breakfast.

WLR FM | News | Local News | Asylum seeker to sue state over food at Waterford Centre.
 

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On what planning grounds would it be reasonable to object to a hotel, motel, hostel, guesthouse, holiday accommodation, convent, monastery, barracks or residential institution providing accommodation to refugees or asylum seekers?
If one is not happy with a proposed development next door, one has the right to object per the normal planning process, which in this instance has now been removed.
 

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The_SR

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If one is not happy with a proposed development next door, one has the right to object per the normal planning process, which in this instance has now been removed.
The development already exists. The ope ope staying in them changes and that's not a planning issue.
 

NeilW

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If one is not happy with a proposed development next door, one has the right to object per the normal planning process, which in this instance has now been removed.
On what grounds would these objections be based?
 

Seanie Lemass

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the overwhelming majority of Irish people are happy to play their part in helping war refugees and will welcome and integrate them. Not everyone is as angry as you

Eh, no they are not actually.

MRBI/Irish Times poll before Christmas showed majority opposed to taking Syrian refugees;

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/poll-majority-against-taking-in-fleeing-migrants-1.2217564

Of course, a lot has happened since that might have changed peoples minds; Paris, Cologne etc.
 
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