Releasing details of suspects in crimes

Ruff says Flaherty

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I have noticed recently, and correct me if I am wrong here, but it seems the media here will only release details of suspects in crimes if the suspects are Irish or white.

Gardaí believe machete killers are Irish as they renew appeal for information over murder

Maybe I am just not seeing the articles, but is this an approach from the media to not drum up hysteria about darker skinned migrants here? Like I know if an article does say the person is black for example, you will have comment after comment saying that immigration isn't working etc. Some will then use it as a stick to beat all migrants with then.

I am all for immigration, I think if managed correctly it is hugely positive for a country. I think Ireland has become a far better place for it. I do think ,however, that the media have some kind of policy or strategy here with regards reporting on crimes potentially perpetrated my migrants.

Again, I am massively open to correction here as this could be just my perception.
 


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You started the thread for the right reasons but it will go down hill steadily.

I recommend ZOOROPA.
 

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The first comment is interesting ...

''This is what happens when a vermin population goes unchecked for so long. Absolutely shocking and tragic for the family. We need much harsher prisons and much harsher sentences. Amnesty international can piss off. Id vote for death penalty no problem. Id also be happy to see a vigilante group wipe out our criminal element at this stage. Currently our methods do nothing but encourage.''

... interesting in the overwhelming likes it receives.
People are just fed up with the inability of the state to tackle such crime.
A 'Duterte' solution is a symptom, not the problem.
 

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I have noticed recently, and correct me if I am wrong here, but it seems the media here will only release details of suspects in crimes if the suspects are Irish or white.

Gardaí believe machete killers are Irish as they renew appeal for information over murder

Maybe I am just not seeing the articles, but is this an approach from the media to not drum up hysteria about darker skinned migrants here? Like I know if an article does say the person is black for example, you will have comment after comment saying that immigration isn't working etc. Some will then use it as a stick to beat all migrants with then.

I am all for immigration, I think if managed correctly it is hugely positive for a country. I think Ireland has become a far better place for it. I do think ,however, that the media have some kind of policy or strategy here with regards reporting on crimes potentially perpetrated my migrants.

Again, I am massively open to correction here as this could be just my perception.
Nothing must be allowed in the media to disrupt the EU narrative of inward massive immigration into Europes declining nation states.

The policy is designed deliberately to destroy all vestiges of national attachment to the nation state based on traditional communities with long and deep roots into the past.

Flooding the smaller states like Ireland is a pilot test case to see how rapidly the sense of irish identity can be eroded and eventually eliminated in favour of a multicultural non Irish pro eu population base.

It has been very successful to date.

[The downside is that all crime by immigrants in EU states is downplayed and even censored]
 

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You started the thread for the right reasons but it will go down hill steadily.

I recommend ZOOROPA.
Ya, I hope I explained my point in the OP clearly. I just want to focus on the media and how they report potential crimes. I probably should have mentioned the guards too as they are the ones giving the info out.

To be honest,if what I posited is indeed the case then maybe it is being done with good intentions, but ultimately I don't think there should be selective reporting based on skin colour.

As I said though, maybe I am wrong on this.
 

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How many examples have you examined, how many related to white people, how many related to other races?

The preponderance of appeals will focus on "White male aged between 20 and 30 with brown hair". Because that's who commit the majority of crimes in the country.

The papers tend to publish exactly what they've been given by the Gardai for appeals, so if there's a discrepancy it's unlikely to be the press's fault.
 

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Ya, I hope I explained my point in the OP clearly. I just want to focus on the media and how they report potential crimes. I probably should have mentioned the guards too as they are the ones giving the info out.

To be honest,if what I posited is indeed the case then maybe it is being done with good intentions, but ultimately I don't think there should be selective reporting based on skin colour.

As I said though, maybe I am wrong on this.
Of course you are wrong.
Selective reporting based on skin colour is de rigeur in the "new ireland".

Immigrants must all be made feel welcome and should any of them commit crime this might reflect badly on the policy of importing large numbers.

Therefore keep quiet and do not comment or report comprehensively on these events.

That is the wording and direction from the EU to the Irish govt.
 

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How many examples have you examined, how many related to white people, how many related to other races?

The preponderance of appeals will focus on "White male aged between 20 and 30 with brown hair". Because that's who commit the majority of crimes in the country.

The papers tend to publish exactly what they've been given by the Gardai for appeals, so if there's a discrepancy it's unlikely to be the press's fault.
I am asking the posters here for examples.

I feel that the media is selective in the information it gives out on certain crimes.

Lets say a kidnap happened and the suspect was white Irish, a description would be given out, if he black and/or from a middle eastern background , do you think these details would be released? Lets say on the Journal, I couldn't see them reporting this in the same manner.
 

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Of course you are wrong.
Selective reporting based on skin colour is de rigeur in the "new ireland".

Immigrants must all be made feel welcome and should any of them commit crime this might reflect badly on the policy of importing large numbers.

Therefore keep quiet and do not comment or report comprehensively on these events.

That is the wording and direction from the EU to the Irish govt.
Go on...
 

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I think this is a worthwhile conversation with regards the media, nit about racism or anything like that. I would say if 97% of our own Irish are good, from my experience 99% of the immigrants I have met are great and contribute so positively to the country.

I just can't help but think that selective reporting, for whatever reason,is bad. I am focusing on releasing the details of potential suspects in crimes as this is something I have noticed. If the suspect is Irish, details are released, if not, no details. I am open to correction on this.
 

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Crime in the vast Turkish community now living in Germany is seriously under reported and under policed because of German Govt policy not to interfere or upset that community with normal policing.

Ireland is no different with regard to it,s rapidly developing and expanding immigrant population cohorts.
 

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Crime in the vast Turkish community now living in Germany is seriously under reported and under policed because of German Govt policy not to interfere or upset that community with normal policing.

Ireland is no different with regard to it,s rapidly developing and expanding immigrant population cohorts.
Ya, I think so. I dont think this policy is good for those migrants trying to integrate here. It makes us look weak and a soft touch and nobody wants to live somewhere where there is a break down in respect for the rule of law. I think we are on a bit of a knife edge here
 

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I think this is a worthwhile conversation with regards the media, nit about racism or anything like that. I would say if 97% of our own Irish are good, from my experience 99% of the immigrants I have met are great and contribute so positively to the country.

I just can't help but think that selective reporting, for whatever reason,is bad. I am focusing on releasing the details of potential suspects in crimes as this is something I have noticed. If the suspect is Irish, details are released, if not, no details. I am open to correction on this.
i have frequently seen reports in the print media and on tv and radio where suspects are referred to as foreign nationals . I realise that's not nearly specific enough for the pond life to get suitably outraged , but it's probably all the Guards will say until they have more information.
 

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i have frequently seen reports in the print media and on tv and radio where suspects are referred to as foreign nationals . I realise that's not nearly specific enough for the pond life to get suitably outraged , but it's probably all the Guards will say until they have more information.
Unfair and unnecessary comment there.

Do you have an example of 1 instance?
 

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Unfair and unnecessary comment there.
It's not really. You've started with a belief, you're looking for anecdotes to support that belief. If 5 people show different examples of Irish descriptions and 1 shows a foreign national description is that good? Bad? Indifferent? There's no number of stories that should impact a view one way or the other. Because they're anecdotes.
 

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As an example, when this was taking place , the media did not mention that the suspect came from an Arab background when releasing descriptions of the man, it was generic stuff like "man in his 20s". Then after the fact, they say he was from this background. I understand that this may be done to stop mass hysteria or panic, but I don't think it is the correct approach to selectively report on potential crimes like this

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/south-quays-dublin-crash-14572801
 


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