Religion in school

Uganda

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The Department of Education has instructed state secondary schools to provide alternatives for students who don't want to attend religion classes, Masses and other religious stuff.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0219/941717-school-religion/

Another baby step on the way to full civil rights for non-religious citizens but one that is already being watered down and resisted by the forces of ignorance. Today teacher organisations were first out of the traps claiming they would have to be paid more if kids move from religion to maths or English or any other subject.

It's a hard struggle and all uphill.
I'll give the muinteoiri 100% for consistency.

No matter what happens its always "more money for teachers."
 


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Bruton did the old anti-Catholic, liberal, secular shape-throwing trick -
and has now landed himself in deep do do with the lazy arse teachers!!

Well deserved, and great to see!!!:lol:
 

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Bruton did the old anti-Catholic, liberal, secular shape-throwing trick -
and has now landed himself in deep do do with the lazy arse teachers!!

Well deserved, and great to see!!!:lol:
Wel, to be fair, it doesn't take huge effort to get into deep do do with the lazy Arse teachers.
 

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Okay fair enough given how in the vast majority of cases they aren't being taught anything approaching Christianity but rather a mawkish sentimental humanism- actually it is for the best but replace it would civics or something like that and not a class that romanticizes things such as Hinduism and Buddhism in the name of "diversity".
 

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Bruton did the old anti-Catholic, liberal, secular shape-throwing trick -
and has now landed himself in deep do do with the lazy arse teachers!!

Well deserved, and great to see!!!:lol:
Just wait until we have a situation whereby all religious instruction is done in churches on Saturdays or Sunday's. And only those kids who attend will be allowed make their communion in the church.

The squealing from parents about having to rock up on weekends in order to justify the bouncy castle will be remarkable.
 

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I like the wording. “Religious instruction” is something to be phased out or at a minimum meaningful alternatives provided.

That said: I can see real value in a 30 minute weekly “Religious Studies” class for the first 3 years of secondary. Focused on all the major religions, their tenets, their history etc. Buddhism, Islam and Hinduism make about 50% of the people on the planet, Christianity about 35%. it seems reasonable for adults to leave school with a base understanding of their beliefs.
How can they be your beliefs if you don't have a "base understanding" of them?

I smell a tautology.
 

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Just wait until we have a situation whereby all religious instruction is done in churches on Saturdays or Sunday's. And only those kids who attend will be allowed make their communion in the church.

The squealing from parents about having to rock up on weekends in order to justify the bouncy castle will be remarkable.
Brilliant. I used to teach Religion 20 years ago. This would drive many parents insane. :)
 

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Pronouns pal! Dammit. "Base understanding of other people's beliefs"
 

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Just wait until we have a situation whereby all religious instruction is done in churches on Saturdays or Sunday's. And only those kids who attend will be allowed make their communion in the church.

The squealing from parents about having to rock up on weekends in order to justify the bouncy castle will be remarkable.
Your right but the RCC doesn't have the balls to bring in such a rule, look at that priest in Wexford Fr Patrick Banville who was slated for stating that the majority of parents where the kids are due to make their Confurmation have no interest in the religious aspect.

https://extra.ie/2018/02/09/news/irish-news/go-to-mass-if-you-want-that-confirmation-money-priest-warns-kids
 

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Pronouns pal! Dammit. "Base understanding of other people's beliefs"
Gotcha. It was phrased a bit funny though. And had the added problem of resembling an absurdity David Quinn used to spout.

Something along the lines of what a disgrace it is that children know nothing about their faith and their parents have little interest in making sure they learn about it.

Provoking the response: well if the children don't understand it and the parents don't care about it, in what sense precisely is it "their faith"?
 

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The Department of Education has instructed state secondary schools to provide alternatives for students who don't want to attend religion classes, Masses and other religious stuff.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0219/941717-school-religion/

Another baby step on the way to full civil rights for non-religious citizens but one that is already being watered down and resisted by the forces of ignorance. Today teacher organisations were first out of the traps claiming they would have to be paid more if kids move from religion to maths or English or any other subject.

It's a hard struggle and all uphill.
Deemphasising the ethic of love of neighbour in schools by getting rid of religion is pathetic.

It is a further move in the direction of the arrogance will get you everywhere attitude that is regurgitated all day every day on our mass media especially the internet media.
 

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Okay fair enough given how in the vast majority of cases they aren't being taught anything approaching Christianity but rather a mawkish sentimental humanism- actually it is for the best but replace it would civics or something like that and not a class that romanticizes things such as Hinduism and Buddhism in the name of "diversity".
I rember years ago in the 80s we had at least 2 "civics" classes in school each week up to "inter-cert" but they were dispensed with for the Leaving cert. we learned about how the government worked on a local and national level and also learned about europe and also what was expected of us as citizens.

Pronouns pal! Dammit. "Base understanding of other people's beliefs"
Feck the duster down at him Sir.
 

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Deemphasising the ethic of love of neighbour in schools by getting rid of religion is pathetic.
'love they neighbour' in terms of large numbers of clergy has a rather different meaning

It is a further move in the direction of the arrogance will get you everywhere attitude that is regurgitated all day every day on our mass media especially the internet media.
Arrogance is rejecting anyone who doesn't believe what you do and then try and ram it down their throats for good measure.
 

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Great. And in future, any children opting out of stuff like Communions etc should not be ostracised by the school as hippy freaks. Another step to secularisation. I approve. There should be a civics subject that deals with a history of religions. No dogma.
 

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Deemphasising the ethic of love of neighbour in schools by getting rid of religion is pathetic.

It is a further move in the direction of the arrogance will get you everywhere attitude that is regurgitated all day every day on our mass media especially the internet media.
Isn't it pretty arrogant to think that religions have a monopoly on ethics?
 

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Great. And in future, any children opting out of stuff like Communions etc should not be ostracised by the school as hippy freaks. Another step to secularisation. I approve. There should be a civics subject that deals with a history of religions. No dogma.
I doubt many parents will be opting out of ther kids Communion or Confirmation, they need an excuse for a good old fashioned Paddy piss up without giving two hoots about the religious aspect.
 


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