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Remember Tiananmen Square - 20 years ago today


JCSkinner

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There have been small commemoration ceremonies in Hong Kong this week to mark the 20th anniversary of the suppression of the Chinese pro-democracy movement in Tiananmen Square.

The Communist junta ruling China has ordered a major security crackdown today in places like occupied Tibet in fear of commemorations occuring even closer to home.

That's 20 years more of oppression, murder, denial of human rights and democracy, of internal exile, re-education gulags, slave labour, all facilitated by China's trading partners in the West, who are happy to turn a blind eye so long as the junta prop up the dollar and they can get their goods made cheaply in Chinese sweatshops and gulag workcamps.

Remember Tiananmen Square today, please. More here: Skin Flicks: Tiananmen: 20 years of silence and oppression
 


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Remember it well, all those students being slaughtered

Their day will come, maybe not this year or next but when China is forced to become a democracy by its own people. it might happen sooner than we think
 

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The Irish Government and business leaders were hob-nobbing with the Chinese bureaucracy at the time of Tianamen on a 'trade' mission - trying to do deals to exploit chinese workers on low pay.

Yet a member of the Socialist Party from Wicklow was on the platform in Tianamen Square offering solidarty and support to the hundreds of thousands of workers and students demonstrating for their rights - and stood shoulder to shoulder with them as the tanks rolled in.
 

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Someone gives a sh!t about the destruction of the democratic movement in the world's second most populous country.
My faith in humanity is restored, White Rose.
And I agree, the only thing staving off a reckoning right now is the illusion of affluence. And since the dollar's collapse, and the world economy tanking, there is a massive and growing number of disaffected Chinese who are newly impoverished (even more than before.)
The clock is finally counting down on the Chinese Communist Party, I think.
 

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I wouldn't be a great admirer of Joe Higgins or the SP but I do recall he was the only prominent person on the Irish left to say anything about China. Didn't Dublin City Council even vote for twinning with Beijing at one point? What next, freedom of the city for Serbian war criminals?
 

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Remember those students and the people of Tibet and the Falun Gong and all the others who have been oppr4essed by this regime. I have sent mails to Michael Martin asking him what he is doing about highlighting human rights in China. Shame on the West for allowing this regime to be treated with kid gloves.
 

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Did you get any response from Minister Micky at all? DFA seem to have a standard issue 'We have and will continue to raise the issue of human rights with the Chinese government' line of male cow excrement that they rattle off every time they are challenged.
Meanwhile, as has been said already, we tried to twin Dublin with Beijing at the same time a Trinity student was being held in a labour camp for his religious beliefs.
 

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Not long ago college authorities at one of this countries universities tried to ban a protest organised by Socialist Youth against a visit by the Chinese ambassador. They said it would be 'embarassing'
 

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fair play JRG,

although i disagree with socialist politics, i applaud your standing up for human rights and democracy.

i was in Hong Kong a couple of months ago and one thing that struck me was the lack of reference to British rule (apart from the Handover) post 1949. coincidence or an attempt to rewrite Hong Kong history?
 

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All those useful idiots who are going to vote for Joe Higgins tomorrow should keep Tiananmen Square in mind if they want to folly him down the same road of totalitarian Marxist dictatorship.
 

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how many people were killed by goverment forces in tianeman , does anyone actually know
 

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A friend of mine visited China last year, when he mentioned the massacre, the Chinese Government guide promptly informed him that it never happened, and it was all Western propaganda to damage the Chinese! Gordon bloody Bennett.....:eek:
 

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JRG, I find your repeated attempts to score party political points over the issue of Tiananmen Square to be utterly abhorrent.
the truth hurts - the political and economic establishment cried crocadile tears over the massacre in Tienanmen Square and continue to do so over repression by the Chinese regime - while at the same time falling over themselves to take advantage of cheap labour in the economic zones.

All those useful idiots who are going to vote for Joe Higgins tomorrow should keep Tiananmen Square in mind if they want to folly him down the same road of totalitarian Marxist dictatorship.
Given the fact that the Irish establishment were sucking up to the Chinese regime at the time of Tienamen and a member of the Socialist Party stood shoulder to shoulder arms linked with workers and students as the tanks rolled into the square - I think you might need to revise your rhetoric.

This was how Steve Jolly reported the events -

On speaking to the half a million strong demonstration -

You could just see half a million people in front of you, desperate for ideas, desperate for organisation, desperate for guidance as to the way forward to win their struggle. It was a tremendous sight to see: half a million people who have thrown off the shackles of everyday life where you just think about making a couple of bob to get by to feed the family, just sitting there with politics as their first and foremost interest.

So at about 10 o'clock the union leader got up and read out to the assembled crowd the demands of the union, why it was set up, the preamble and so on. I was the second speaker. I got up and expressed solidarity for the union on behalf of the workers and students everywhere whose imagination had been captured by the movement which had taken place in Beijing and other cities of China over previous weeks. And then I outlined the programme which in some ways the students had taken on unconsciously: the need for the election and right of immediate recall of all officials, for all officials to be on the wage of a worker, and so on. I went on to the question of the Communist government. I said that any "communist", or any "Communist" government that arrested workers, that stood against workers' democratic rights, was not a real communist. I said that the only real communists in China - those following the traditions of Marx, Engels and Lenin - were those who supported this movement. And I can tell you that this statement went down very, very well indeed. That was what people wanted to hear. I spoke for about 10-15 minutes. It went down very well. After me, there were two more speakers.

People didn't want to hear: "You've got to take the road of the West", or "We've got great democratic rights in the West, that's the way you've got to go." As one student put it to me: "Look, if we went capitalist, it would be like India. It wouldn't be like Japan. We've got a billion people here. If the capitalists came to China, they would rip us to shreds economically. We're not under any illusions."


And his eyewitness account of the troops killing protestors

They just opened up fire, and bodies dropped. Bodies just dropped, time and time again. People would get up again and they would go forward, with red flags sometimes, sometimes with bricks, sometimes just shouting. They would go down again. They would get up again. The troops were shooting everybody.

I saw a three-year old with a bayonet through the chest. I saw a pregnant woman, who had been bayoneted to death in the stomach, and the embryonic baby was lying on the ground beside her. It was absolutely barbaric what they were doing...

As I was moving with the students in the streets of Tiananmen Square, I got myself a little bit tear-gassed. Now, obviously, since the minute that things hotted up I had felt scared silly. I would be lying if I said anything different. Anyone who goes to war and comes back saying it was great is a fool or a liar. We were all scared. But that Sunday morning it was different. We were getting shot at, we were getting tear-gassed. But because there were dead all around us, and because of the anger that we felt, all of us, even myself, would have done anything...

Because I was the only westerner in the streets at the time and I had my camera, the students were taking me from one dead body to another. "Take a photograph of this. What do you think of this? Can you go home and tell people what's going on?"...


a socialist world is possible
 

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Watching Prime Time report right now, bet "The Party" is not happy, no official word from the embasy
 

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Watching Prime Time report right now, bet "The Party" is not happy, no official word from the embasy
The Prime Time report was good, but they titled it "The Forgotten Massacre"! For 15 years [until UTV's Hidden Hand - The Forgotten Massacre], they virtually ignored a proportionally worse massacre in their own capital.

RTE pointed out that the Chinese authorities were suppressing today's anniversary. I went to our own Forgotten Massacre anniversary several years ago and was shocked to see at least a dozen SB filming the bereaved relatives. Don't RTE do irony at all?
 
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It is interesting to see posters come out to mourn those how died in Tiananmen Square, when the same posters ************************* and moan about people who dare protest in the West.

I also find it amusing that so many posters on P.IE bash China over human rights abuses, when they support the slaughter of innocents by the US and Britain.

(I in no way support the Chinese government).
 

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I remember standing in the square and looking at its vastness and felt that it was the true center of China- I have never felt more overawed in my life, as this is a place where the highest ideals of freedoms and human decency were displayed in 1989. When I think of those protestores, I do so with the same reverence as I would for the likes of Michael Collins, James Connolly, or MLK. Remember the guy who stood up to a tank? That was one of the greatest fk you statements of all times.
 

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I showed my Chinese mother in law the CNN report that was being blocked by silly Police men with umbrellas. She told me she was deeply embarrassed to be Chinese.
Please understand that the Chinese are well aware of what happened especially anyone over 30. The government here is not good and is completely corrupt to the core. What they have managed to do though is quite remarkable. In China if you say anything against the Communist regime that means you are insulting the country as a whole. The TV and newspapers make no distinction. I am nearly 10 years in China and I have truly grown to hate the Chinese government. They are liars and cheats and utterly cultureless. On the other hand I do admire the ordinary Chinese people who are forced to endure the corruption and lies of a brutal regime for so long.
 

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