Remove minimum apartment size limits to release the building

Voluntary

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It has been reported today apartments may now cost more to build than houses. There's not one buy many areas which could be address to solve that, but let's focus here on one, the minimum sizing.

Apartments now cost more to build than houses

Current restrictions are as below:

One-bed apartments at 45 sq m
Two-bed apartments at 73 sq m
Three-bed apartments at 90 sq m

What's more, we imply minimum room sizes and minimum storage sizes, which further complicate things:
“Once all requirements around room sizes and storage are satisfied, the true ‘practical’ minimum areas of apartments are
circa 49sq m for one bed,
circa 80sq m for a two bed, and
circa 97sq m for a three bed,”

I was just reading today, Poland is on the way to remove all sizing restrictions, room size etc and only set a bare minimum size per unit to be not smaller than 25 sq m. This is to ban super-micro semi-hotel rooms being sold as homes.

Looking at the numbers, 25 sq is half of the Irish 49 sq m

The Polish minister's commented on the issue:

"The existing regulations on the technical conditions of the buildings are "archaic" and the point is to "free the construction" especially from unnecessary regulations."

"If someone wants to have one room and a bath in the middle, then let him do a bath in the middle. If you want bigger kitchen, smaller toilet - let it arrange it. The minimum floor area is 25 sq."

I must say, this makes a lot of sense.

What are your thoughts on this? It's kind of clear a vast number of the Irish working people cannot afford current apartments prices. So should we stop banning small apartments as a first step to release the building?
 


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It has been reported today apartments may now cost more to build than houses. There's not one buy many areas which could be address to solve that, but let's focus here on one, the minimum sizing.

Apartments now cost more to build than houses

Current restrictions are as below:

One-bed apartments at 45 sq m
Two-bed apartments at 73 sq m
Three-bed apartments at 90 sq m

What's more, we imply minimum room sizes and minimum storage sizes, which further complicate things:
“Once all requirements around room sizes and storage are satisfied, the true ‘practical’ minimum areas of apartments are
circa 49sq m for one bed,
circa 80sq m for a two bed, and
circa 97sq m for a three bed,”

I was just reading today, Poland is on the way to remove all sizing restrictions, room size etc and only set a bare minimum size per unit to be not smaller than 25 sq m. This is to ban super-micro semi-hotel rooms being sold as homes.

Looking at the numbers, 25 sq is half of the Irish 49 sq m

The Polish minister's commented on the issue:

"The existing regulations on the technical conditions of the buildings are "archaic" and the point is to "free the construction" especially from unnecessary regulations."

"If someone wants to have one room and a bath in the middle, then let him do a bath in the middle. If you want bigger kitchen, smaller toilet - let it arrange it. The minimum floor area is 25 sq."

I must say, this makes a lot of sense.

What are your thoughts on this? It's kind of clear a vast number of the Irish working people cannot afford current apartments prices. So should we stop banning small apartments as a first step to release the building?
Why not go smaller? Or why have windows? Or kitchens. If someone just wants somewhere to sleep and shower and never cook and doesn't care about views why shouldn't they be able to buy that?
 

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Important thing to remember, we're talking about 'minimum' size limits, not maximum. Even though the minimum size of 3-bed is currently 97 sq m, common modern 3-bed house in excess of 120 sq m.

Small apartments target specific customer: single or young couple, students, temporary workers etc.
 

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Important thing to remember, we're talking about 'minimum' size limits, not maximum. Even though the minimum size of 3-bed is currently 97 sq m, common modern 3-bed house in excess of 120 sq m.

Small apartments target specific customer: single or young couple, students, temporary workers etc.
And dwarfs. And the bed ridden. Do blind people need space? Don't think so.
 

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And dwarfs. And the bed ridden. Do blind people need space? Don't think so.
Still, one could question why Irish restrictions are way higher then in other European countries and could also conclude these restrictions may be forcing working people to commute long hours daily.
 

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Still, one could question why Irish restrictions are way higher then in other European countries and could also conclude these restrictions may be forcing working people to commute long hours daily.
Ireland is a very low density country. Dublin is a low density city. There are huge amounts of land - it's simply down to zoning and planning. The price of bricks and cement is no higher in Ireland than elsewhere in Europe. It's the land. The land. The entire game is based on the land use.
 

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Why not go smaller? Or why have windows? Or kitchens. If someone just wants somewhere to sleep and shower and never cook and doesn't care about views why shouldn't they be able to buy that?

Would you buy a place without windows or a kitchen ?
Of course not.

If builders build accommodation that's too small or has other defects, it won't sell.

The builder must create a product for which there is demand.

Otherwise they'll go bankrupt.
 

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Would you buy a place without windows or a kitchen ?
Of course not.

If builders build accommodation that's too small or has other defects, it won't sell.

The builder must create a product for which there is demand.

Otherwise they'll go bankrupt.
I was being sarcastic. I certainly wouldn't pay 200K for a 25sq metre shoe box, windows or no windows.
 

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We could also save money by removing fire safety measures and building standards.
 

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I suggest that those happy with the idea of tiny apartments being built to 'solve' the housing crisis give details of their own home size with their post - just so readers know where they are coming from, home-wise!
 

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Build up and give amenities. FFS.. it isnt rocket science. Apartments in most cities are higher and have more amenities. Doormen, pools, gyms.... all for the price of a tiny apartment in Dublin. IN Chicago I have a one bed 1200sq ft apartment overlooking the lake that would cost around 110K euro..... Dublin prices are crazy.

Yes if I move closer to the city centre you are talking major money, but for that you also get the FULL amenities in buildings....
 

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We could also save money by removing fire safety measures and building standards.
You touched a very good point. We have and enforce too much regulations where the regulation is not needed and at the other hand we don't enforce the regulation where it's badly needed, like eg regarding fire safety.
 

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Build up and give amenities. FFS.. it isnt rocket science. Apartments in most cities are higher and have more amenities. Doormen, pools, gyms.... all for the price of a tiny apartment in Dublin. IN Chicago I have a one bed 1200sq ft apartment overlooking the lake that would cost around 110K euro..... Dublin prices are crazy.

Yes if I move closer to the city centre you are talking major money, but for that you also get the FULL amenities in buildings....
There's no minimum size restriction on apartments in Chicago. They impose other restriction of average size of apartments constructed within a development be greater that 500sf (46 sq m), so for every 27 sq m apartment there need to be one 51 sq m built.

New York imposes much higher restrictions with minimum size of 37 sq m. Still nothing to compare with POSH Dublin - 49 sq m


http://themicromaker.com/why-no-micro-apartments-in-chicago/
 

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Or just tax land so high that hoarders are forced to build, increasing supply and therefore dropping the price !!!
 

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