Renaming of Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital in Drogheda


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Enslaved pregnant women and sold their babies on the black market? Raped, beat, starved and enslaved children they were supposed to be educating and taking care of? Protected senior rapists in the organisation? Butchered women with unnecessary hysterectomies or symphesiotomies?
Educated the people, feed the hungry, bought medical care to the sick and gave children who had no chance of a life with their parents the opportunity to go to America and live in stable homes with money love and two parents.
 

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Educated the people, feed the hungry, bought medical care to the sick and gave children who had no chance of a life with their parents the opportunity to go to America and live in stable homes with money love and two parents.
What checks were performed on suitability of the purchasing families? Letter from their local parish priest saying they were catholics of good standing?

Which probably meant as much in the US as it did in Ireland.
 

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Or perhaps I should have said 'background cheques' as the nuns were quite sharp about canvassing donations from said well-heeled American families over the years after they'd bought their kid.

A sort of subtle blackmail. The worry would have been in the minds of the receiving family in the states about upsetting the sales-nuns in Ireland where all the i's were not dotted and t's crossed in terms of normal adoption process.
 

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Or perhaps I should have said 'background cheques' as the nuns were quite sharp about canvassing donations from said well-heeled American families over the years after they'd bought their kid.
It still was a much better life than anything they could have had in Ireland.

Love how you failed to mention the rest of the good work done in education and medical needs.
 

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It still was a much better life than anything they could have had in Ireland.

Love how you failed to mention the rest of the good work done in education and medical needs.
There were benefits for the church in securing cartels in those corners as well you know. It was hardly a philanthropic motive.
 

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Enslaved pregnant women and sold their babies on the black market? Raped, beat, starved and enslaved children they were supposed to be educating and taking care of? Protected senior rapists in the organisation? Butchered women with unnecessary hysterectomies or symphesiotomies?
Yes and murdered thousands amd millions without blinking and finished them off by sending the up the chimney.
That is what the Lourdes does now.
Gets rid of the inconvenient and disabled.
That is what happens when society looses its humanity.
 

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Agree with name change. Not suitable for a publicly funded State hospital.
 

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Educated the people, feed the hungry, bought medical care to the sick and gave children who had no chance of a life with their parents the opportunity to go to America and live in stable homes with money love and two parents.
Wait, the nazis did that?
 

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Originally Posted by Herr Rommel View Post
Educated the people, feed the hungry, bought medical care to the sick and gave children who had no chance of a life with their parents the opportunity to go to America and live in stable homes with money love and two parents.
MsDaisy
Wait, the nazis did that?
Well Werner Von Braun did okay out of it but I think that was the US OSS rather than the catholic church on that occasion. The Church were running quite an international export business. The church in Rome specialised in issuing documents for nazis on the run- documents which gave them an introduction to the Red Cross in Geneva as refugees from where they were able to get new passports and clear off to Bolivia sharpish.

No one knows yet how much the church Travel Service charged for that service or whether it was a philanthropic gesture to the jew-killers.
 

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Neary, Shine and the staff who deliberatedly removed files to cover up 4 Neary is not " one rogue medic"

Neary was examined by fellow Irish medics who gave him the all clear. The medical council had to bring in a proper doctor from the UK to "deal" with Neary. By "deal" i mean retire on full pension.
The UK doctor stated she should have faced a custodial sentence. Admitedly that was harder due to staff " deliberatedly removing files".
Aye glorious history worth retaining.
 

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From my recollection it was indeed a failure on the part of Neary's professional colleagues to acknowledge or report what he was up to- and they would have been well aware. I think it was some of the nursing staff who rang the alarm bells in the end.

He should indeed have faced charges of Grievous Bodily Harm in a criminal court. There is a right to informed consent for patients and has been for a long time as well as protections stemming from the constitution in terms of bodily autonomy. The state again failed to tackle the excesses of the O'Taliban crew.

I also seem to remember that after Neary was retired adverts started appearing in journals seeking nurses to help with the same disreputable procedures in Africa.
 

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From my recollection it was indeed a failure on the part of Neary's professional colleagues to acknowledge or report what he was up to- and they would have been well aware. I think it was some of the nursing staff who rang the alarm bells in the end.

He should indeed have faced charges of Grievous Bodily Harm in a criminal court. There is a right to informed consent for patients and has been for a long time as well as protections stemming from the constitution in terms of bodily autonomy. The state again failed to tackle the excesses of the O'Taliban crew.

I also seem to remember that after Neary was retired adverts started appearing in journals seeking nurses to help with the same disreputable procedures in Africa.
It was a british midwife who called him out. The yokels then
went marching to support the butcher. They then deliberatedly removed files, the gardai were sent in to investigate the mysteriously disappearing files but the yokels cicrled the wagons to protect their boy.

He didnt seem ahem too apologetic:

of Neary to transfer property to his children - Independent.ie
 

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Another load of criminality left undealt with.

That guy should have been spending the latter part of his life in a cell. And as for those who removed files in order to cover for him those people remained in place.

Every now and then one catches a glimpse of the O'Taliban within the health service. I know the Dept of Education was rotten with them and I know they still have a coterie in place within the last 6-8 years.

They may be much reduced in number but there are still some cobwebbed corners where the completely unethical but very holy all the same still lurk.
 

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what the history of the hospital was it started by the church and then taken over by the state at some point?
Are you asking from the point of view of the investment capital or asking from the point of view of who ended up owning the building by default? :)
 

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What I mean by that is that I have often heard of religious institutions/organisations ending up owning and running hospitals but who actually funded the building is often a murkier question and not quite so straightforward.

Bear in mind that the decrepit order embroiled in issues around the new NCH site have an interesting past when it comes to owning properties that were state funded.

And of course the business model of such organisations is never to fund anything using their capital but seek donations and funding from the faithful and government to fund a social need but somehow the proposal always contains the strand that the organisation itself ends up owning the capital asset.

Irish governments still haven't spotted that. Which is why such religious organisations regarded Ireland as a great little country in which to do the Lord's business.
 

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what the history of the hospital was it started by the church and then taken over by the state at some point?
Many hospitals in Europe were founded by the Church - I'd say most hospitals in Ireland were founded by one the churches.
 

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Protected senior rapists in the organisation? Butchered women with unnecessary hysterectomies or symphesiotomies?
Is there such a thing as an "unnecessary hysterectomy or symphesiotomy"?
 
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