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Report calls for extension of household recycling


TheBear

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From Ireland.com:
  • Figures released today show that household recycling rates in different local authority areas vary from as low as 7.2 per cent in Cork city to a high of 56 per cent in Galway city.

    The figures are included in the Joint Oireachtas Committee for Environment and Local Government's third report on household recycling published today.

    The report has made a number of recommendations on how recycling levels can be increased.
There's a link to the report itself here. The table with the data on recycling, broken down by local authority, is on pages 12 and 13 of the report (pages 17 and 18 of the pdf file).

The priority recommendations made in the report cover:
- plastic waste
- organic waste
- provision of recycling facilities
- newsprint industry, and
- packaging waste

It's a long report (they always are...), but what I've read of it is quite interesting, and the writing isn't too stodgy or anything like that.
 

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TheBear said:
From Ireland.com:
  • Figures released today show that household recycling rates in different local authority areas vary from as low as 7.2 per cent in Cork city to a high of 56 per cent in Galway city.


  • Personally I thought some places would have been lower than 7.2 percent and I never would have dreamt that anywhere in Ireland had reached 50% yet(as positive a thing as that is). :shock:
 

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Thanks for the link.

Recycling as it presently exists is not the answer, or at least it is an over-rated answer. Reduction is the only way. We consume far more than our fair share of resources. But we all know that nothing will be done to reduce waste while ever we have the intransigent Roche at the helm.

His answer is: burn it and to hell with you! There are jobs and profits on the line if you reduce waste!
 

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Have I whinged at you guys before about Tesco's efforts at reducing packaging?

For example, they sell two packages of sugar snap peas. One is in that little plastic box thingummy, with cellophane around it. The other is a little plastic bag. Same amount in it, and same price. The plastic bag consists of maybe 5% of the plastic when compared to the box.

They're clearly giving the option of cutting down on waste, so why not just eliminate the box!? They're making the bags anyway... Also, why restrict this to one or two products? Why not extend it throughout their fruit and veg range?
 

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TB: I cheerfully direct you to a truly excellent open letter from George Monbiot to 'Sir' Terry Leahy, chief executive of Tesco.

Enjoy
 

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just had a brief skim through the document. why did only some local authorities report?

also, i see Jackie Healy Rea is the deputy chair of the oireachtas environment committee. whoever put him there obviously had a great sense of irony.
 

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I've had a quick skim through the report and am surprised at the number of times it refers to reduction in the production of waste, given that they were supposed to be reporting on recycling. Reduction of use of resources is contrary to promoting growth in the eyes of top knobs.

For me, it wasn't mentioned half often enough. We have no right to consume more than our fair share of resources of this world.

And remember, the hierarchy is reduce, reuse, recyle. In other words, recycle comes last. (Actually, when all three fail, landfill comes last).

I got short shrift when I wrote to the government about deposit schemes and how it would improve the countryside for tourism purposes and cut our energy bill if done properly. Good to see it recommended in this report.

However, with our current incumbents, does this report mean anything at all? Well, maybe. Roche has already taken a very very small step away from total commitment to incineration across Ireland, as intimated in the following:

Waste regulator could be in place next year

A regulator for the waste-management industry is being considered by Government and may be appointed as early as the beginning of next year, it has emerged. The regulator's job would be to bring standards to the very different levels of collection and recycling across the industry, which is operated by local authorities and private sector companies.
...

Mr Haughey also criticised what he claimed was the inclusion of incineration in the State's eight waste-management plans, a feature he described as "irrational".
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However, Mr Roche defended the regional plans saying that they were subject to constant review. In relation to the prospect of eight incinerators, he said: "The truth is we've none. Maybe when we have one or two we can talk about what the ultimate number should be."
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Mr Roche said he would be receiving the report of the consultation body in early October and would comment further at that time.
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Waste to energy: Particular attention should be paid to a review of the State's waste-management plans.

Emphasis should be placed on the hierarchy which promotes avoidance, reuse and recycling over disposal.

Tim O'Brien
© The Irish Times
'Irrational' plan for network of incinerators likely to be binned

PROPOSALS for eight regional incinerators across the country look set to be binned after a Government minister admitted we do not need that many. The controversial plans form part of regional waste management plans - all eight of which propose an incinerator. Yesterday, Environment Minister Dick Roche acknowledged Ireland needed "some", but probably not eight incinerators.

He was commenting as Fianna Fail TD Sean Haughey, who chairs a powerful Oireachtas committee, described the plan for eight incinerators as "simply irrational".

Launching a Joint Committee on the Environment report on household waste recycling yesterday - which found "remarkable" variations between local authorities recycling efforts - Mr Haughey said he accepted that incineration had a part to play in the management of residual waste. "But the prospect of having eight incinerators is not sensible environmental policy." He called for a complete review of all eight regional waste management plans.

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Fergus Black
© Irish Independent
With proper control over what enters the waste stream in the first place, incinerators are redundant.
 

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Things have clearly improved quite significantly over the last decade. We're recycling more and producing less waste per capita.

Ireland triples recyling of municipal waste - Environmental News | The Irish Times - Wed, Mar 20, 2013

I was looking at the actual report yesterday and weirdly, some of the Nordic countries have gone backwards and are now recycling less.
Which Nordic country are you referring to?

Sweden and Denmark are recycling more than ever.

Sweden is actually being paid to take waste from the UK, which it is making a fortune out of. Right now about half the energy created in the communal water heating facility which heats my apartment is from UK waste.

Sweden is also exporting a lot of metals from recycling to China.

All rubbish in Sweden is sorted for recycling, composting, fuel, metals, etc. Any kommune that did not do so, would be in real trouble.

Norway recycles everything that it can as well.

It is good to see Ireland recycling some. However Ireland needs to get its act together and recycle everything it can, compost as much as possible, extract as much metal as possible, etc. Ireland has come a long way, but still has a very long way to go.
 

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Which Nordic country are you referring to?

Sweden and Denmark are recycling more than ever.

Sweden is actually being paid to take waste from the UK, which it is making a fortune out of. Right now about half the energy created in the communal water heating facility which heats my apartment is from UK waste.

Sweden is also exporting a lot of metals from recycling to China.

All rubbish in Sweden is sorted for recycling, composting, fuel, metals, etc. Any kommune that did not do so, would be in real trouble.

Norway recycles everything that it can as well.

It is good to see Ireland recycling some. However Ireland needs to get its act together and recycle everything it can, compost as much as possible, extract as much metal as possible, etc. Ireland has come a long way, but still has a very long way to go.
When the water charges come in does anyone seriously expect that people will then waste precious water and money washing out tins, jars, plastic bottles and containers. I don't think so. All we will see is an increase on black bin waste or else contminated green recyclables which end up in landfill. The future is looking dirty, incineration with energy recovery and district heating is the answer! honest.
 

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It is good to see Ireland recycling some. However Ireland needs to get its act together and recycle everything it can, compost as much as possible, extract as much metal as possible, etc. Ireland has come a long way, but still has a very long way to go.
I watched in disbelief a few years ago as a company which manufactured garden furniture from recycled plastic bottles moved its factory to Holland.

Why ?

Because it couldn't persuade enough local authorities to supply it with used plastic from their waste streams.
 
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When the water charges come in does anyone seriously expect that people will then waste precious water and money washing out tins, jars, plastic bottles and containers. I don't think so. All we will see is an increase on black bin waste or else contminated green recyclables which end up in landfill. The future is looking dirty, incineration with energy recovery and district heating is the answer! honest.
it seems a minor thing but im sure people do use a lot of water washing out containers, once the meters come in those yogurt pots etc will have to go into the bins as is, I'm not going to pay for the water
 

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Which Nordic country are you referring to?

Sweden and Denmark are recycling more than ever.

Sweden is actually being paid to take waste from the UK, which it is making a fortune out of. Right now about half the energy created in the communal water heating facility which heats my apartment is from UK waste.

Sweden is also exporting a lot of metals from recycling to China.

All rubbish in Sweden is sorted for recycling, composting, fuel, metals, etc. Any kommune that did not do so, would be in real trouble.

Norway recycles everything that it can as well.

It is good to see Ireland recycling some. However Ireland needs to get its act together and recycle everything it can, compost as much as possible, extract as much metal as possible, etc. Ireland has come a long way, but still has a very long way to go.
http://www.eea.europa.eu/publications/managing-municipal-solid-waste/at_download/file

See the (bloody awful) spiral charts on pages 13 and 15. Norway and Finland appear to be recycling less. Now there maybe a very good reason for that....

We still have some way to go on landfill (p.21). I wonder about the composting rates though. I have a compost bin and a lot of people I know have. There are also some communal compost bins in some estates. I doubt that these are all counted in the figures.
 

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Maybe an incentive is needed, such as a reduced rate of property taxes for recyclers.
 

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When the water charges come in does anyone seriously expect that people will then waste precious water and money washing out tins, jars, plastic bottles and containers. I don't think so. All we will see is an increase on black bin waste or else contminated green recyclables which end up in landfill. The future is looking dirty, incineration with energy recovery and district heating is the answer! honest.
Will it really take vast quantities of water?? Wash them out with waste water if it does - or better still, avoid products that come in cans, tins, jars, containers.......
 

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http://www.eea.europa.eu/publications/managing-municipal-solid-waste/at_download/file

See the (bloody awful) spiral charts on pages 13 and 15. Norway and Finland appear to be recycling less. Now there maybe a very good reason for that....

We still have some way to go on landfill (p.21). I wonder about the composting rates though. I have a compost bin and a lot of people I know have. There are also some communal compost bins in some estates. I doubt that these are all counted in the figures.
Once the brown bins came in people used them to get rid of grass clippings and gardening waste that would normally be spread under hedges and around flower beds to keep down the weeds or else put on a compost heap. The arrival of the brown bin surely led to a massive increase in waste production rates in Ireland. I also suspect that the huge increase in people installing solid fuels stoves has led to an increase in home incineration of waste. In this case without the benefit of scrubbers to filter the smoky output and the residual waste ash then simply going in the black bin and deposited into 'normal' landfill.
 

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Will it really take vast quantities of water?? Wash them out with waste water if it does - or better still, avoid products that come in cans, tins, jars, containers.......
I am not saying it will take vast quantities of water but unless you are seriously immune to the effects of the last five years of austurity I simply suspect that people will not risk wasting water that they might use now to clean out containers once a charge is applied for same. Unfortunately may people cannot afford the luxury of buying products that come in anything less than a tin or jar as the alternatives are simply beyound their means.
 

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€9 for six bags. Thats' not the cost of plastic bags. They already make money on the recyclables by compressing and shipping them to China. I predict more recyclable rubbish just ending up with non recyclables. I completely disagree with this move. It's taking the piss to charge those who actually get off their arse to do something good and which already makes Greyhound money. Screw you Greyhound. I don't recycle any more after this. I can't be bothered. I won't pay water charges to wash out containers either. I'm guessing I'm not alone.

Greyhound customers to be charged for recycling from tomorrow

Greyhound's Green Bag Charges Condemned

Greyhound customers have to purchase these bags in rolls of six bags for the extortionate price of €9.
 

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I watched in disbelief a few years ago as a company which manufactured garden furniture from recycled plastic bottles moved its factory to Holland.

Why ?

Because it couldn't persuade enough local authorities to supply it with used plastic from their waste streams.
That does not suprise me.

There is an attitude regarding recycling in Ireland that needs to be swept aside.

The fact that local authorities refused to supply a manufacturing company with waste is incredible.

In countries like Germany, Austria, Sweden, Denmark, etc, the exact opposite would happen.

Can you name the local authority?
 

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http://www.eea.europa.eu/publications/managing-municipal-solid-waste/at_download/file

See the (bloody awful) spiral charts on pages 13 and 15. Norway and Finland appear to be recycling less. Now there maybe a very good reason for that....

We still have some way to go on landfill (p.21). I wonder about the composting rates though. I have a compost bin and a lot of people I know have. There are also some communal compost bins in some estates. I doubt that these are all counted in the figures.
Thanks for that.

Regarding composting. Ireland has always had a lot of composting. Most people don't pay any attention to it. Practically everyone I know composts and every farmer I have ever known composts.

Ireland could well be ahead of other countries in the area of composting in all honesty. It is just not surveyed properly.
 
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