Report: United Ireland post-Brexit?

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Irish Brexit report sets out united Ireland proposal - BBC News

He added: "From talking to people in both communities in the north it is clear that everybody believes that at some stage there will be a referendum.

"But we must learn the lesson from Brexit and the lesson from Brexit is that you don't have a referendum and then tell people what the future will look like, what you do is you lay out the future in great detail, you talk about the issues of great concern to all communities."
So is this the ball rolling?

If 56% voted against Brexit, how many of those are willing to leave the UK to stay in the EU? And how many above this 56% will have seen the folly of this whole charade and come to the same conclusion?

Or is the Seanad making noise that won't be heard until later?

[Fianna Fáil's Senator Mark Daly] said: "From the 17 recommendations in the report, it is quite clear we need to do a lot in advance of any referendum.

"One of the findings was that there would be a benefit for the all-island economy of €35.6 billion in the first eight years after reunification.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0802/894730-brexit-report-united-ireland/

EDIT: Linked report - https://senatormarkdaly.org/2017/04/24/uniting-ireland-and-its-people-in-peace-prosperity/
 
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We are being presented with the nEU empire as a means of facilitating a united Ireland, which will then be a province ruled from Brussels.

It seems as if the Irish establishment suddenly realised that are on full imperial mode again.

And this time it is not Westminster. Or the Vatican. This time it is Brussels.

Minor problem. A inept state system that cannot manage itself.

Major impediment. 900,000 Unionists.

Time to be realistic. Proposing to sticking the Ulster Unionists into the nEU empire just so that FFGP can get a pat on the head for being eager about Brussels is hardly a plan for anything.

Except maybe a plan to get a pat on the head in Brussels.
 

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Irish Brexit report sets out united Ireland proposal - BBC News



So is this the ball rolling?

If 56% voted against Brexit, how many of those are willing to leave the UK to stay in the EU? And how many above this 56% will have seen the folly of this whole charade and come to the same conclusion?

Or is the Seanad making noise that won't be heard until later?
The important thing is that it is planned for, mapped out and clearly detailed. Assurances will need to be given to unionism at large, and eu assurance will be needed for the necessary support. And lastly, brexit needs to bite hard in order to make this feasible, sadly.
 

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Analyzer;11358008[B said:
]We are being presented with the nEU empire[/B] as a means of facilitating a united Ireland, which will then be a province ruled from Brussels.

It seems as if the Irish establishment suddenly realised that are on full imperial mode again.

And this time it is not Westminster. Or the Vatican. This time it is Brussels.

Minor problem. A inept state system that cannot manage itself.

Major impediment. 900,000 Unionists.
no, we aren't, except maybe in your head.
 

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We are being presented with the nEU empire as a means of facilitating a united Ireland, which will then be a province ruled from Brussels.

It seems as if the Irish establishment suddenly realised that are on full imperial mode again.

And this time it is not Westminster. Or the Vatican. This time it is Brussels.

Minor problem. A inept state system that cannot manage itself.

Major impediment. 900,000 Unionists.
Yup. Anyone voting to leave a state being run as spectacularly competent as Britain at the moment would have to be certified as criminally insane.
 

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A united Ireland that isnt controlled by Brussels or Berlin should be the aim
 

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We are being presented with the nEU empire as a means of facilitating a united Ireland, which will then be a province ruled from Brussels.

It seems as if the Irish establishment suddenly realised that are on full imperial mode again.

And this time it is not Westminster. Or the Vatican. This time it is Brussels.

Minor problem. A inept state system that cannot manage itself.

Major impediment. 900,000 Unionists.
A financially banjaxed nation taking in another 1.4 million people, the majority of whom (dolers, farmers, government funded jobs) are funded courtesy of the taxpayer currently.
 

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A financially banjaxed nation taking in another 1.4 million people, the majority of whom (dolers, farmers, government funded jobs) are funded courtesy of the taxpayer currently.
So you don't expect Northerners to pay tax then?
 

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A united Ireland that isnt controlled by Brussels or Berlin should be the aim
That is a laudable objective. Unfortunately FG only want a united Ireland if Brussels and the ECB are in control.

Have FG ever met an imperial racket that did not impress them ?
 

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Brainfart
 

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If this leads to a proper attempt at a consensus on the form a UI would take e.g. federalism or unitary state, or confederation, then fine. But the last thing NI needs is to be destabilised by this extraneous issue.
 

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Yup. Anyone voting to leave a state being run as spectacularly competent as Britain at the moment would have to be certified as criminally insane.
Unfortunately, a higher proportion of the population of this state chose to exit, than the one next door, in the past decade.

Even more indicative is the fact that they moved to the state next door.

We are still borrowing in an unsustainable manner, obeying Brussels, & sustaining an institutional state that underperforms ( & then demands "more resources" as a reward for ineptitude).

Thanks FFG !!!
 

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If this leads to a proper attempt at a consensus on the form a UI would take e.g. federalism or unitary state, or confederation, then fine. But the last thing NI needs is to be destabilised by this extraneous issue.
Exactly. Either it is realistic and respectful.

Otherwise it is just more "green jersey" pr stunt patriotism.

The very discussion itself has the potential to destabilize a substantial population in the North.
 

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If this leads to a proper attempt at a consensus on the form a UI would take e.g. federalism or unitary state, or confederation, then fine. But the last thing NI needs is to be destabilised by this extraneous issue.
I agree somewhat.

But I don't think it's destabilising. What I do think is that it gives DUP/UUP types a sort of way out of the madness, but to a place they've always said they'd never go. Which is why David Trimble has weighed in to tell Varadkar and Coveney to calm themselves. He knows there's meat on this one.
 

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In September 2016, BBC Northern Ireland commissioned an opinion poll in the wake of the Brexit referendum.


This suggested that 63% of people in Northern Ireland supported staying in the UK, whilst only 22% said they would vote to join a united Ireland.
I have heard it claimed that one of the demands is that GB should continue to fund NI for 30 years after Unification .... yeah, right :D
 

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That is a laudable objective. Unfortunately FG only want a united Ireland if Brussels and the ECB are in control.

Have FG ever met an imperial racket that did not impress them ?
Yes FG are entirely subservient, many of them question the very legitimacy of this state. Previously they wished it were run as part of the UK now they want it subsumed into a European super state.
 

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Irish Brexit report sets out united Ireland proposal - BBC News



So is this the ball rolling?

If 56% voted against Brexit, how many of those are willing to leave the UK to stay in the EU? And how many above this 56% will have seen the folly of this whole charade and come to the same conclusion?

Or is the Seanad making noise that won't be heard until later?
Completely different summary of report on RTE's website

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0802/894730-brexit-report-united-ireland/

The Government must negotiate for Northern Ireland to be designated with special status within the EU, a report by an Oireachtas committee has said.

The report focuses on the potential impact of Brexit on the prospects of a united Ireland.

As well as seeking special status for Northern Ireland, it says there should also be clarity as to whether the North will be still eligible for EU structural funds once the UK departs the European Union.

The report recommends that there should be no passport controls on the borders between North and South.

It says that a New Ireland Forum should be set up - much like the one that was around in the 1980s - to address unionists' concerns.
Fianna Fáil Senator Mark Daly, a committee member, has said the report outlines the benefits of a united Ireland.
 

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We are being presented with the nEU empire as a means of facilitating a united Ireland, which will then be a province ruled from Brussels.

It seems as if the Irish establishment suddenly realised that are on full imperial mode again.

And this time it is not Westminster. Or the Vatican. This time it is Brussels.

Minor problem. A inept state system that cannot manage itself.

Major impediment. 900,000 Unionists.

Time to be realistic. Proposing to sticking the Ulster Unionists into the nEU empire just so that FFGP can get a pat on the head for being eager about Brussels is hardly a plan for anything.

Except maybe a plan to get a pat on the head in Brussels.
FFS... any decision for a UI will be made by voters...

A UI is always a prospect and Brexit has probably brought that prospect forward a bit... particularly if Brexit turns out to be an abject disaster for NI.

So all that is happening in Dublin is a discussion and a bit of planning... which is a refreshing change imo... as opposed to the shambles we're witnessing in London...

What would be your vision for an independent Ireland free from all entities - UK, EU whatever...? based on where we are today and on our current setup and not some feckin' pipedream of where you might like us to be...

What are your positive and realistic vibes and suggestions about how Ireland could and should pursue such a route and thrive?

I'd be interested in hearing about your vision if you've got one at all?
 

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Irish Brexit report sets out united Ireland proposal - BBC News



So is this the ball rolling?

If 56% voted against Brexit, how many of those are willing to leave the UK to stay in the EU? And how many above this 56% will have seen the folly of this whole charade and come to the same conclusion?

Or is the Seanad making noise that won't be heard until later?
If nothing else this will focus the DUP to put a bit more pressure on May for a softer Brexit - cause a hard one is a sure road to Dublin for them.
 


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