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Republican organisations reject closed talks with Sinn Féin; opt for public debate


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SeamusNapoleon

éirígí have become the latest republican organisation to reject closed talks with Sinn Féin.* Declan Kearney, national chairman for provisional Sinn Féin issued the invite to republican groupings as part of an Easter oration this year. Republican Sinn Féin rejected the offer some weeks ago.

Breandán MacCionnaith of éirígí gave as one of the reasons for his party rejecting such an invite being the attempts of provisional Sinn Féin to label all opponents of their political strategy as dissident republicans. However, in rejecting the offer of bi-lateral closed talks, MacCionnaith instead invited provisional Sinn Féin to engage in public debates with éirígí and other so-called ‘dissidents’ organisations.

Further reading:

- irg issue call to Sinn Fin - "Let's have an open, public debate" | irg: For A Socialist Republic
- Éirígí refuses SF 'common ground' talks - UTV Live News
- Sinn Féin offer of peace talks spurned by republican dissidents | UK news | guardian.co.uk

Attendance at ‘dissident’ Easter commemorations seems to have been increasing in recent years north and south.


*provisional Sinn Féin, to be specific.
 


IrishWelshCelt

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Mary Lou's sister is in eirgi isnt she? Surely a channel of conversation right there.
 

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éirígí have become the latest republican organisation to reject closed talks with Sinn Féin.* Declan Kearney, national chairman for provisional Sinn Féin issued the invite to republican groupings as part of an Easter oration this year. Republican Sinn Féin rejected the offer some weeks ago.

Breandán MacCionnaith of éirígí gave as one of the reasons for his party rejecting such an invite being the attempts of provisional Sinn Féin to label all opponents of their political strategy as dissident republicans. However, in rejecting the offer of bi-lateral closed talks, MacCionnaith instead invited provisional Sinn Féin to engage in public debates with éirígí and other so-called ‘dissidents’ organisations.

Further reading:

- irg issue call to Sinn Fin - "Let's have an open, public debate" | irg: For A Socialist Republic
- Éirígí refuses SF 'common ground' talks - UTV Live News
- Sinn Féin offer of peace talks spurned by republican dissidents | UK news | guardian.co.uk

Attendance at ‘dissident’ Easter commemorations seems to have been increasing in recent years north and south.


*provisional Sinn Féin, to be specific.
Why are you now calling them "Provisional Sinn Féin? You just sound daft. :roll:
 

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The dissidents need to tell us the political strategy that they are pursuring.

Is it just reactionary towards Sinn fein or do they have a thought out strategy?

And so far when they have stood for election they have performed poorly, if they have a different credible vision....then let's be hearing what it is.
 
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Why are you now calling them "Provisional Sinn Féin? You just sound daft. :roll:
I've often referred to them as provisional Sinn Féin. It's not a slight on them, but when another group with the title Sinn Féin are being discussed in the same post, both of them get a prefix so that there is no favouritism on my part.

It is being balanced, not daft.
Daft is not understanding nuance when it comes to this issue.
 

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Don't debate with them.
They are only looking for some recognition that they have something to offer and that they have a place in mainstream politics.
Keep the oxygen from them.
 

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Attendance at ‘dissident’ Easter commemorations seems to have been increasing in recent years north and south.
Certainly wasn't the case in Belfast on Easter Sunday.
 

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Provisional Sinn Fein, whose Ard Fheis presumably is held in a phone box beside the skip where Eirigi hold theirs. Insert rolleyes here.
 
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Certainly wasn't the case in Belfast on Easter Sunday.
I wasn’t in the north for easter so I am relying on second-hand information. There were reports of 800 people being in attendance at éirígí’s Belfast parade. In Derry city, 200 people were reported by the Telegraph to have taken part in the 32CSM’s commemoration.

éirígí held commemorations in Belfast, Dublin, Newry, Kildare, Meath, Offaly, Tipperary, Wicklow and Wexford this year. This is a considerable increase on previous years.
 

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Provisional Sinn Fein, whose Ard Fheis presumably is held in a phone box beside the skip where Eirigi hold theirs. Insert rolleyes here.
' Yawn ' :roll: ......... do you actually think that somehow your witty or something ?? :roll:
 

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Certainly wasn't the case in Belfast on Easter Sunday.
Perhaps because éirígí held its commemoration on Easter Monday, it had the biggest attendance there since its inception.
 

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éirígí have become the latest republican organisation to reject closed talks with Sinn Féin.* Declan Kearney, national chairman for provisional Sinn Féin issued the invite to republican groupings as part of an Easter oration this year. Republican Sinn Féin rejected the offer some weeks ago.

Breandán MacCionnaith of éirígí gave as one of the reasons for his party rejecting such an invite being the attempts of provisional Sinn Féin to label all opponents of their political strategy as dissident republicans. However, in rejecting the offer of bi-lateral closed talks, MacCionnaith instead invited provisional Sinn Féin to engage in public debates with éirígí and other so-called ‘dissidents’ organisations.

Further reading:

- irg issue call to Sinn Fin - "Let's have an open, public debate" | irg: For A Socialist Republic
- Éirígí refuses SF 'common ground' talks - UTV Live News
- Sinn Féin offer of peace talks spurned by republican dissidents | UK news | guardian.co.uk

Attendance at ‘dissident’ Easter commemorations seems to have been increasing in recent years north and south.

*provisional Sinn Féin, to be specific.
No offence but it sounds like a total cop-out to be honest. This time last year Brian Leeson had a public debate with Eoin O'Broin for example..

As we approach the centenary of the 1916 Rising, What does republicanism mean in the 21st Century.

21st-century republicanism: what does it mean?

Dublin : Saturday 14 April, 2 p.m.

Public meeting

Speakers: Tommy McKearney
(author and former republican prisoner),
Brian Leeson (Éirígí)
Eoin Ó Broin (Sinn Féin),
Tom Redmond (CPI).


In 2010 they also had a public debate in Queens University in Belfast -

Republican rivals to hold debate

Sinn Fein and new republican political party eirigi will share a platform this week, for the first time, during a debate to discuss Ireland’s economic crisis.

Sinn Fein’s Dublin chairperson Eoin O Broin and eirigi representative Daithi Mac An Mhaistir take part in the event organised by students at Queen’s University Belfast.

Sinn Fein has previously refused to take part in debates on the North’s political process with eirigi.

The groundbreaking debate has been organised by the Republican Congress, a group of socialist students from Queen’s.

Mr O Broin said he has no problem debating economic issues with eirigi activists.


Ollscoil Banriona/QUB Republican Congress -

Comhdháil Poblachtach Ollscoil Banriona/QUB Republican Congress are holding a meeting entitled 'Is the cure for Ireland’s ills a 32 county socialist republic?' at 7pm on 25th November 2010 in the Holiday Inn, University Street, Belfast. The panel will include Daithí Mac An Mhaistír (éirígí), Eoin O’Broin (Sinn Fein), Dr Brian Hanley (Author of The Lost Revolution – The Story of the Official IRA and the Workers Party) and Dr Anthony McIntyre (Author of Good Friday: The Death of Irish Republicanism).
 

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éirígí have become the latest republican organisation to reject closed talks with Sinn Féin.* Declan Kearney, national chairman for provisional Sinn Féin issued the invite to republican groupings as part of an Easter oration this year. Republican Sinn Féin rejected the offer some weeks ago.

Breandán MacCionnaith of éirígí gave as one of the reasons for his party rejecting such an invite being the attempts of provisional Sinn Féin to label all opponents of their political strategy as dissident republicans. However, in rejecting the offer of bi-lateral closed talks, MacCionnaith instead invited provisional Sinn Féin to engage in public debates with éirígí and other so-called ‘dissidents’ organisations.

Further reading:

- irg issue call to Sinn Fin - "Let's have an open, public debate" | irg: For A Socialist Republic
- Éirígí refuses SF 'common ground' talks - UTV Live News
- Sinn Féin offer of peace talks spurned by republican dissidents | UK news | guardian.co.uk

Attendance at ‘dissident’ Easter commemorations seems to have been increasing in recent years north and south.


*provisional Sinn Féin, to be specific.


How open to public talks was MacCionnaith when he was a Provo Sinn Fein puppet?

This statement indicates that he knows what would happen if he did engage in closed talks with them.
 

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What are eirigi up to these days? Apart from commemorations, they seem to have gone off the radar since the Royal visit.

Their cllrs are all defectors aren't they? Have they got anyone elected from their own ranks so far?

Is there any indication what their strategy for the local elections next year will be?
 

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The dissidents need to tell us the political strategy that they are pursuring.

Is it just reactionary towards Sinn fein or do they have a thought out strategy?

And so far when they have stood for election they have performed poorly, if they have a different credible vision....then let's be hearing what it is.


Their political strategy is the same one that PSF/PIRA used to have.
 

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I wasn’t in the north for easter so I am relying on second-hand information. There were reports of 800 people being in attendance at éirígí’s Belfast parade. In Derry city, 200 people were reported by the Telegraph to have taken part in the 32CSM’s commemoration.

éirígí held commemorations in Belfast, Dublin, Newry, Kildare, Meath, Offaly, Tipperary, Wicklow and Wexford this year. This is a considerable increase on previous years.
Please there was less then 10 at the Newry Eirigi commemoration. The Same people who btw were photographed at the RSF event as well. Belfast numbers were about 400 ( which was viewed as their national commemoration). I know all groups like to 'big' up there numbers, but please try to be even a little bit realistic!
 

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Please there was less then 10 at the Newry Eirigi commemoration. The Same people who btw were photographed at the RSF event as well. Belfast numbers were about 400 ( which was viewed as their national commemoration). I know all groups like to 'big' up there numbers, but please try to be even a little bit realistic!

Traditional Irish Republicanism just isn't very popular.
 

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