Republican party, the most dangerous organisation in history?

Prester Jim

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Interesting comment from Noam Chomsky reported in the UK Indo:
Noam Chomsky: Donald Trump's election will accelerate global warming and humanity's 'race to disaster' | The Independent

I have to agree, when you cut through all the other possibly disastrous policy ideas Trump has the one that stands out for those of us with a rational view of the science, is his catastrophic views on climate change. Those views are uncommon worldwide among the political class because for the most part they trust scientists and science and over time the political consensus is that action is needed to save the human population of the world (nature will eventually recover if we are gone).
The problem is that the Republican party has more than a few other climate change deniers and it is thoroughly infiltrated by the anti-rational, anti-science brigade that believe a whole zoo of mad ideas such as creationism and the like. Action is long overdue on climate change and any action taken without the US will not succeed, worse it will cause other nations to follow suit and will accelerate the coming disaster.
My question is this, if you accept that the US choice of Trump will lead (if he follows through) to an apocalypse, what should the rest of the world and the sane majority of Americans do to prevent that apocalypse?
Would impeachment be enough? Is Pence a better bet?
This is the world's problem as well as the US's.
 


Jack Walsh

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His comments will be dismissed as loony and he will be labelled an idiot by those who worship the new gospel of Bannon and Alex Jones and the Creationists and the climate change deniers and the truth speakers and the non brainwashed by libtards.
We are living in very dangerous times
 

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Trump will be president for at most, 4 years. Even if he decides he wants to run again, he will be 74 and will show his age. The idea that the world will end because Trump is president of the U.S. for 4 years is silly.
 

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His comments will be dismissed as loony and he will be labelled an idiot by those who worship the new gospel of Bannon and Alex Jones and the Creationists and the climate change deniers and the truth speakers and the non brainwashed by libtards.
We are living in very dangerous times
What the lefties don't understand is that Trump supporters, the economic 'invisibles' - those living the past 20 years with minimum wage jobs at best - don't give a flying fúck about the environment, LGTBQWERTY rights, affirmative action or any other social issues etc.

They are not ignorant.
They have simply lost patience.

When you have been ignored by both parties for so long, then anything is better than the the same ole thing again (Hillary).

The masses are hungry.
Their needs are basic - food, shelter & jobs.
Meanwhile the left is trying to push transgender bathrooms.

Completely out of touch.

There's no point in blaming Trump.
He is the symptom, not the problem.
 

Volatire

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Interesting comment from Noam Chomsky reported in the UK Indo:
Noam Chomsky: Donald Trump's election will accelerate global warming and humanity's 'race to disaster' | The Independent

I have to agree, when you cut through all the other possibly disastrous policy ideas Trump has the one that stands out for those of us with a rational view of the science, is his catastrophic views on climate change. Those views are uncommon worldwide among the political class because for the most part they trust scientists and science and over time the political consensus is that action is needed to save the human population of the world (nature will eventually recover if we are gone).
The problem is that the Republican party has more than a few other climate change deniers and it is thoroughly infiltrated by the anti-rational, anti-science brigade that believe a whole zoo of mad ideas such as creationism and the like. Action is long overdue on climate change and any action taken without the US will not succeed, worse it will cause other nations to follow suit and will accelerate the coming disaster.
My question is this, if you accept that the US choice of Trump will lead (if he follows through) to an apocalypse, what should the rest of the world and the sane majority of Americans do to prevent that apocalypse?
Would impeachment be enough? Is Pence a better bet?
This is the world's problem as well as the US's.
Chomsky? Seriously?

His whinging is way past it's sell-by date.
 

Cellachán Chaisil

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What the lefties don't understand is that Trump supporters, the economic 'invisibles' - those living the past 20 years with minimum wage jobs at best - don't give a flying fúck about the environment, LGTBQWERTY rights, affirmative action or any other social issues etc.

They are not ignorant.
They have simply lost patience.

When you have been ignored by both parties for so long, then anything is better than the the same ole thing again (Hillary).

The masses are hungry.
Their needs are basic - food, shelter & jobs.
Meanwhile the left is trying to push transgender bathrooms.

Completely out of touch.

There's no point in blaming Trump.
He is the symptom, not the problem.
Most of the furore over transgender bathrooms come from the right not the left.

Why are the right focussing on such things when the working class are being forgotten?
 

Dame_Enda

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One of the great things about Trump is that unlike most of his party he is no homophobe and has accepted ssm. Liberals should cooperate with Trump in order not to sacrifice such gains on the alter of the false god of globalism and multiculturalism.

On global warming I recall Bush was sceptical about it too but managed to cut emissions anyway. The same might happen with Trump. California will be 30% renewable by 2024. Much good work is being done at state level on global warming.

I don't like the plan to reopen coal mines given global warming and hope Trump will find green alternatives.
 

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Trump will be president for at most, 4 years. Even if he decides he wants to run again, he will be 74 and will show his age. The idea that the world will end because Trump is president of the U.S. for 4 years is silly.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-much-damage-could-a-president-trump-do-we-can-only-begin-to-imagine/2016/10/06/312ba2fe-8a3a-11e6-875e-2c1bfe943b66_story.html?utm_term=.53fce6956fe4

In one of the more thoughtful examinations of the danger, the Brookings Institution’s Benjamin Wittes explained why checks and balances cannot be counted on to protect the nation from an elected leader with contempt for democracy. “Ultimately, the entire executive branch is corruptible by one person because constitutionally, the executive branch is one person,” Mr. Wittes wrote on the Lawfare blog. “Everyone else is just his arms, hands, and fingers. That means that over time, the executive branch under Donald Trump becomes Donald Trump.”

... We have faith, ultimately, in the integrity of the federal workforce, the resilience of the U.S. system and the essential fairness of the American people. But all three could be tested as never before by a Trump presidency. The nation should not subject itself to such a risk.
Thats what I have been thinking about. I assume all the checks and balances in the US system are contingent on the people in power to obey these checks and balances? What is stopping Trump from remodeling all these checks and balances to serve Trump et all themselves?


( please dont go off on one about the Brookings Institution / Benjamin Wittes .. just debate what he said is all & my reply/concern :D )
 

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Most of the furore over transgender bathrooms come from the right not the left.

Why are the right focussing on such things when the working class are being forgotten?

It's about the left's constant imposing of one view over another without consultation.

As a man I'd have no problem with a woman using my bathroom.
As a woman however, I'd have serious reservations.

The left refuses to understand these concerns or, more likely, simply dismisses them.
''Your opinion doesn't matter''.
Ignored.
Left out.
Sidelined.
Sound familiar ?
 

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Chomsky not only supported the Khmer Rouge but claimed afterwards that the mass killings had been made up by the CIA.

That is really all you need to know about that fkn as£hole.
 
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Trump will be president for at most, 4 years. Even if he decides he wants to run again, he will be 74 and will show his age. The idea that the world will end because Trump is president of the U.S. for 4 years is silly.
Given his own age, Noam's might.
 

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Trump will be president for at most, 4 years. Even if he decides he wants to run again, he will be 74 and will show his age. The idea that the world will end because Trump is president of the U.S. for 4 years is silly.
It took a huge amount of effort to put together the Paris accords, if the USA drop them many other countries will follow and it will do irreparable damage to the environment, we are already in the sh1t, another 4 years of increasing emissions, even if all the loose ends were tied up by president Warren in 4.5 years (highly improbable) we would still perhaps go up a degree or more, there is also the risk of a cascade being set off by the extra temperature.
There is already a major risk, Trump is a disaster.
North Pole above freezing in sign of 'sudden' and 'very serious' climate change | The Independent
Donald Trump is seeking quick ways of withdrawing from the Paris climate agreement | The Independent
The cost of climate change: World's economy will lose $12tn unless greenhouse gases are tackled | The Independent
UN and France tell Donald Trump he must respect 'irreversible' climate deal | The Independent

COP22: Who is left to save the world if America pulls out of Paris Agreement? | The Independent
 

Prester Jim

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Chomsky not only supported the Khmer Rouge but claimed afterwards that the mass killings had been made up by the CIA.

That is really all you need to know about that fkn as£hole.
Doesn't mean he is wrong about this. He has pointed to a massive problem, he is not the issue.
 

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What the lefties don't understand is that Trump supporters, the economic 'invisibles' - those living the past 20 years with minimum wage jobs at best - don't give a flying fúck about the environment, LGTBQWERTY rights, affirmative action or any other social issues etc.

They are not ignorant.
They have simply lost patience.

When you have been ignored by both parties for so long, then anything is better than the the same ole thing again (Hillary).

The masses are hungry.
Their needs are basic - food, shelter & jobs.
Meanwhile the left is trying to push transgender bathrooms.

Completely out of touch.

There's no point in blaming Trump.
He is the symptom, not the problem.

those living the past 20 years with minimum wage jobs at best - don't give a flying fúck about the environment, LGTBQWERTY rights, affirmative action or any other social issues etc.

They are not ignorant.

With respect, I think by most sensible definitions, holding such views today does make you ignorant.
 

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In a few months time the official position of the most power and richest country in the world will be that man made Climate change is just a hoax.

Surely then it will be time to rip up all those agreements and get those coal minors in Virginia , Pennsylvania etc back to work.
 
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Interesting comment from Noam Chomsky reported in the UK Indo:
Noam Chomsky: Donald Trump's election will accelerate global warming and humanity's 'race to disaster' | The Independent

I have to agree, when you cut through all the other possibly disastrous policy ideas Trump has the one that stands out for those of us with a rational view of the science, is his catastrophic views on climate change. Those views are uncommon worldwide among the political class because for the most part they trust scientists and science and over time the political consensus is that action is needed to save the human population of the world (nature will eventually recover if we are gone).
The problem is that the Republican party has more than a few other climate change deniers and it is thoroughly infiltrated by the anti-rational, anti-science brigade that believe a whole zoo of mad ideas such as creationism and the like. Action is long overdue on climate change and any action taken without the US will not succeed, worse it will cause other nations to follow suit and will accelerate the coming disaster.
My question is this, if you accept that the US choice of Trump will lead (if he follows through) to an apocalypse, what should the rest of the world and the sane majority of Americans do to prevent that apocalypse?
Would impeachment be enough? Is Pence a better bet?
This is the world's problem as well as the US's.
A president can be impeached for enacting an election promise?

Wow.

Policy is in his remit. The people gave that to him.
 
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In a few months time the official position of the most power and richest country in the world will be that man made Climate change is just a hoax.

Surely then it will be time to rip up all those agreements and get those coal minors in Virginia , Pennsylvania etc back to work.
From what I've read it could take 4+ years to get out of Paris.
 


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