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Republican Senate Candidate Roy Moore accused of making sexual advances to young women ...


livingstone

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Jones got 100k less votes than the dem in 2008 who was doa and she only got 35%. They in no way overperformed here. A sackcloth with GOP painted on it would have won this election for the republicans.
Comparing raw numbers in a scheduled Senate election coinciding with a Presidential election (particularly in a state with a large black population when the first viable black candidate was on the Presidential ballot) with a special election, isn't a good barometer for performance.

Indeed, that the Democrat only got 100k fewer votes in 2017 than 2008, despite the massive disparity in turnout between Presidential years and special elections, in itself is a sign of overperformance.
 

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Accused, accused, accused. Still not a shred of evidence presented at all. I've been accused of sexual harassment as well all ridiculous allegations. We can not have lynch mob reactions against individuals based on such claims especially in such a political setting where the opposition have a lot to gain from such allegations. Yes the candidate may be a republican it doesn't mean they aren't opposed to this man or that they haven't been bribed or blackmailed into making these allegations.
Same goes for Harvey Weinstein, and indeed Bill Clinton. No charges ever litigated, the Lewinsky affair was consensual.

The great laugh is the way Republicans present themselves as virgin pure, and their Evangelical supporters likewise - but they are willing to countenance sexual abusers like Trump and Moore when it comes to taking political power, which is all that matters in their book.

Look at guys like this - Republicans have never apologised for making a paedophile Speaker of the House.

Dennis Hastert: Ex-House speaker can't be alone with children, judge rules - CNN
 

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Comparing raw numbers in a scheduled Senate election coinciding with a Presidential election (particularly in a state with a large black population when the first viable black candidate was on the Presidential ballot) with a special election, isn't a good barometer for performance.

Indeed, that the Democrat only got 100k fewer votes in 2017 than 2008, despite the massive disparity in turnout between Presidential years and special elections, in itself is a sign of overperformance.
Sure, but Republicans will still be deprived of that vote for 3 years.

A totally self-inflicted wound. Moore was a crap candidate, even without the sex abuse charges.

In a state where Trump won by +28%, he still only led Jones by +8% before the abuse charges. Given the polls still showed Moore leading on election day - 1, the Democrat would still have run him close.

Like, be serious - a religious nut who thinks slavery was good for the American family, who turned up dressed almost like a f*cking circus clown to vote. He was a real yellow dog candidate - the Republicans thought they could run a yellow dog and still win.
 

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Same goes for Harvey Weinstein, and indeed Bill Clinton. No charges ever litigated, the Lewinsky affair was consensual.

The great laugh is the way Republicans present themselves as virgin pure, and their Evangelical supporters likewise - but they are willing to countenance sexual abusers like Trump and Moore when it comes to taking political power, which is all that matters in their book.

Look at guys like this - Republicans have never apologised for making a paedophile Speaker of the House.

Dennis Hastert: Ex-House speaker can't be alone with children, judge rules - CNN
Rethuglicons think they are whiter that white - but the truth is that they are dirty through and through
 

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Originally Posted by Old Mr Grouser
The American poor are getting poorer every year, American planes and drones are killing innocent people all across Asia and Africa; and all the media can yak about is did Trump paw a few women.


We are able to include all topics, unlike you.

I guess you would be a misogynist, Old Mr Grouser. Unfortunately you are not alone:
The misogyny map of the world


T
he more red, the more mysogynistic. Ireland wasn't surveyed.

There is a more extensive map in the article
 

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ALABAMA: Accuser Sues Roy Moore For Defamation

Montgomery’s NBC affiliate reports:

One of Roy Moore’s accusers has filed a defamation lawsuit against the failed Senate candidate and his campaign. In the lawsuit filed in Montgomery County Circuit Court on Thursday, Leigh Corfman claims Moore and his campaign defamed her repeatedly after she told the Washington Post that Moore sexually abused her in 1979.

“Since publication of the Washington Post article on November 9, 2017, Mr. Moore has repeatedly attacked Ms. Corfman despite knowing that he sexually abused Ms. Corfman when she was 14 years old. At a minimum, Mr.Moore made his false denials with reckless disregard of the truth.”

The suit seeks legal costs and a public apology.
Full Story: ALABAMA: Accuser Sues Roy Moore For Defamation
 

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I assume some CNN contributor etc will be spouting the usual along the lines of 'as we can't fully rule out out was not Donald Trump who set the fire we have to treat this as it very possible was Donald Trump who set this fire'.
 

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I assume some CNN contributor etc will be spouting the usual along the lines of 'as we can't fully rule out out was not Donald Trump who set the fire we have to treat this as it very possible was Donald Trump who set this fire'.
I’d have thought by now Hope wouldn’t leave matches lying where little hands find .


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He's ba-ack ....

The man of whom Trump said ... "He was a bad candidate, but he was a Republican ...." with four allegations of improper advances to teenage girls when he was in his 30s, .... threatens to run a zombie candidacy for the Senate ....

Roy Moore signals he might run again in Alabama
 

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He's ba-ack ....

The man of whom Trump said ... "He was a bad candidate, but he was a Republican ...." with four allegations of improper advances to teenage girls when he was in his 30s, .... threatens to run a zombie candidacy for the Senate ....

Roy Moore signals he might run again in Alabama
Senator Doug Jones is probably on his knees saying rosaries for Roy Moore to run. Jones knows that the only snowballs chance in hell he has of retaining his seat is that Roy Moore be his opponent.

Moore of course is just mischief making here and even Moore knows that he has no chance of winning a GOP primary after gifting the seat to a now Democratic Senator.

The Jones seat in Alabama is one of those automatic pick ups for the GOP next year. I trust the networks will wait for the polls to close before calling it for the GOP.
 

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Run, Roy, Run.
Many said that when Trump ran. I also felt that there weren't anywhere near enough Americans to be so toxic and/or foolish to elect him. How wrong that was. The GOP saw fit to not only elect Trump but also become his cult followers and defenders.

Moore almost won as an openly neo-Confederate child molester that abused a law enforcement badge to do it, and was endorsed by a racist lecherous groper that his voters chose to elect President. It will be a Presidential year general election too if Moore runs again, not a special election for just the Senate seat.

The GOP's degradation poses the most serious internal threat to US's political health since the self-serving demagogic 'Fire-Eaters' that beguiled and fevered Southern white voters into becoming cannon fodder followers of the regionally ruling Plantation class that enslaved blacks to deny the rest of the Southern whites a meaningful middle class and working class jobs and instigated the US Civil War.
Fire-Eaters - Wikipedia

The Dems need to treat this current threat to the very health of their democracy very seriously insofar as campaigning, messaging, voter turnout, etc, to repel it. Hopefully, that will also engender a revival of democratic responsibility within GOP governance.
 
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Senator Doug Jones is probably on his knees saying rosaries for Roy Moore to run. Jones knows that the only snowballs chance in hell he has of retaining his seat is that Roy Moore be his opponent.

Moore of course is just mischief making here and even Moore knows that he has no chance of winning a GOP primary after gifting the seat to a now Democratic Senator.

The Jones seat in Alabama is one of those automatic pick ups for the GOP next year. I trust the networks will wait for the polls to close before calling it for the GOP.
Judge Roy should get a good run out of the GOP ...

Look at all the boxes he ticks ...

  • Likes young meat
  • Biblical literalist
  • Puts the Bible above the law
  • Believes that Sharia Law operates "up there" (e.g. Illinois)
  • Climate change denier
  • Turns up to vote riding a horse ....
Clearly, a man in the forefront of GOP politics, occupying a host of popular positions. What's not to like?
 

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Judge Roy should get a good run out of the GOP ...

Look at all the boxes he ticks ...

  • Likes young meat
  • Biblical literalist
  • Puts the Bible above the law
  • Believes that Sharia Law operates "up there" (e.g. Illinois)
  • Climate change denier
  • Turns up to vote riding a horse ....
Clearly, a man in the forefront of GOP politics, occupying a host of popular positions. What's not to like?
Moore is unlikely to run and if he did he would get trounced in a primary. That's not to say a similarly unsavoury character couldn't clinch the nomination. It is Alabama after all.

Maybe you noticed that Moore is the only candidate that Doug Jones exhorted to enter the race. I wonder why. If I was Doug Jones I would enjoy the DC restaurants and museums for the next year and a half because after that he is very likely headed back to Alabama.

Anyone who thinks the Democrats will hold this Senate seat next year really needs some fresh thinking. Senator Jones won a very narrow race against Roy Moore a toxic challenger. Alabama is one of the reddest and most pro Trump states in the country. Jones won by about 2 points in a state where a narrow win for the GOP would be 20 points and he did this thanks to write in voters. The write in vote total exceeded the margin of Jones victory, as much as the locals abhorred Roy Moore, thousands still couldn't bring themselves to vote for Jones.

The GOP in Alabama typically win with a more comfortable 30 point margin. If the GOP can avoid nominating a Moore like candidate , this Senate seat is in the bag for them.
 

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Moore is unlikely to run and if he did he would get trounced in a primary. That's not to say a similarly unsavoury character couldn't clinch the nomination. It is Alabama after all.

Maybe you noticed that Moore is the only candidate that Doug Jones exhorted to enter the race. I wonder why. If I was Doug Jones I would enjoy the DC restaurants and museums for the next year and a half because after that he is very likely headed back to Alabama.

Anyone who thinks the Democrats will hold this Senate seat next year really needs some fresh thinking. Senator Jones won a very narrow race against Roy Moore a toxic challenger. Alabama is one of the reddest and most pro Trump states in the country. Jones won by about 2 points in a state where a narrow win for the GOP would be 20 points and he did this thanks to write in voters. The write in vote total exceeded the margin of Jones victory, as much as the locals abhorred Roy Moore, thousands still couldn't bring themselves to vote for Jones.

The GOP in Alabama typically win with a more comfortable 30 point margin. If the GOP can avoid nominating a Moore like candidate , this Senate seat is in the bag for them.
Agreed. I'll add the following to that list of obstacles:
Doug Jones net approval down 17 points since elected--Alabama.com
Jones still has an "Approval 40 percent, disapproval 35 percent for a net approval 5 percent" as noted therein, but that's not likely going to be enough if the GOP picks someone more to their liking than Moore, which is at the sewer level of standards.

Jones is also going to be running in a Presidential general election with Trump on the ballot as opposed to a special election against someone like Moore where Moore--a neo-Confederate credibly accused child molester--still almost beat him.

Jones reminds of Joseph Cao, the one term GOP US House Rep for Louisiana's 2nd congressional district that's predominately African-American and one of the safest blue House seats in the nation. Cao had the unusual opportunity of being an honourable and palatable temporary alternative in the midst of the William 'Dollar Bill' Jefferson bribery scandal that deservedly earned Jefferson time behind bars. Despite being congenial and moderate given his nature and district, Cao was replaced by a Democrat in the next election.
Joseph Cao - Wikipedia

Like Cao, Jones got in and will go out the same way. AL is currently a blood red state, and that's not changing anytime soon.
 

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Agreed. I'll add the following to that list of obstacles:
Doug Jones net approval down 17 points since elected--Alabama.com
Jones still has an "Approval 40 percent, disapproval 35 percent for a net approval 5 percent" as noted therein, but that's not likely going to be enough if the GOP picks someone more to their liking than Moore, which is at the sewer level of standards.

Jones is also going to be running in a Presidential general election with Trump on the ballot as opposed to a special election against someone like Moore where Moore--a neo-Confederate credibly accused child molester--still almost beat him.

Jones reminds of Joseph Cao, the one term GOP US House Rep for Louisiana's 2nd congressional district that's predominately African-American and one of the safest blue House seats in the nation. Cao had the unusual opportunity of being an honourable and palatable temporary alternative in the midst of the William 'Dollar Bill' Jefferson bribery scandal that deservedly earned Jefferson time behind bars. Despite being congenial and moderate given his nature and district, Cao was replaced by a Democrat in the next election.
Joseph Cao - Wikipedia

Like Cao, Jones got in and will go out the same way. AL is currently a blood red state, and that's not changing anytime soon.
He reminds me of Scott Brown, who took Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat temporarily.

It was a tremendous achievement for Jones to win when he did, even against an atrocious mossbacked dinosaur like Moore.

Trump had a net positive approval rating in 38 states at the start of his term. That is now only 17, but in Alabama he has the 3rd highest margin Approval - Disapproval (after Wyoming and West Virginia, which sent Democrat Joe Manchin to the Senate),

Tracking Trump: The Presidents Approval State by State, Month by Month
 

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Many said that when Trump ran. I also felt that there weren't anywhere near enough Americans to be so toxic and/or foolish to elect him. How wrong that was. The GOP saw fit to not only elect Trump but also become his cult followers and defenders.

Moore almost won as an openly neo-Confederate child molester that abused a law enforcement badge to do it, and was endorsed by a racist lecherous groper that his voters chose to elect President. It will be a Presidential year general election too if Moore runs again, not a special election for just the Senate seat.

The GOP's degradation poses the most serious internal threat to US's political health since the self-serving demagogic 'Fire-Eaters' that beguiled and fevered Southern white voters into becoming cannon fodder followers of the regionally ruling Plantation class that enslaved blacks to deny the rest of the Southern whites a meaningful middle class and working class jobs and instigated the US Civil War.
Fire-Eaters - Wikipedia

The Dems need to treat this current threat to the very health of their democracy very seriously insofar as campaigning, messaging, voter turnout, etc, to repel it. Hopefully, that will also engender a revival of democratic responsibility within GOP governance.
Yeah, that sums it up very well, though I wouldn't be too confident in relation to your last sentence. People need to remember that 49% of the voters in Alabama knowingly voted for a paedophile rather than do the decent thing (they could at least have stayed at home). There is only one word to describe such people, and I'm not going to print it here.
 
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