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I hope such blanket pardons are given. I have been reading articles on how the worst is yet to come for HRC as it will occur after she becomes POTUS.
Every republicans head would go mushroom cloud if she did get a blanket pardon but of course that wouldn't help them as such a pardon would only be issued after she won the election but before Obama left Office, as for the republicans ability to make mischief that depends on how they do in the house races which determinants who is on what committee!
 


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Every republicans head would go mushroom cloud if she did get a blanket pardon but of course that wouldn't help them as such a pardon would only be issued after she won the election but before Obama left Office, as for the republicans ability to make mischief that depends on how they do in the house races which determinants who is on what committee!
In the fever swamps of the right wing, they've always operated under a mushroom cloud and scream, holler, abuse, accuse, etc. IMO, F-em. Time to turn down their volume on the attention reception and marginalise their outsized and undeserved influence on US politics.

And plenty of reasonable GOP voters--and there are many that get forgotten in all the noise--would take it as a favour, and so privately would lots of GOP officials that wish to not be hogtied by the fringes but don't have the balls to risk losing their jobs in the primaries by opposing their raving whims.

The Dems should take the same advice regarding their extremes too or else it will be rinse, wash, repeat.
 

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In the fever swamps of the right wing, they've always operated under a mushroom cloud and scream, holler, abuse, accuse, etc. IMO, F-em. Time to turn down their volume on the attention reception and marginalise their outsized and undeserved influence on US politics.

And plenty of reasonable GOP voters--and there are many that get forgotten in all the noise--would take it as a favour, and so privately would lots of GOP officials that wish to not be hogtied by the fringes but don't have the balls to risk losing their jobs in the primaries by opposing their raving whims.

The Dems should take the same advice regarding their extremes too or else it will be rise, wash, repeat.
very true and this loss by the republicans could be very beneficial to them, it may make them look at their party and change a few things so the fridge does not control them any longer!
 

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In the fever swamps of the right wing, they've always operated under a mushroom cloud and scream, holler, abuse, accuse, etc. IMO, F-em. Time to turn down their volume on the attention reception and marginalise their outsized and undeserved influence on US politics.

And plenty of reasonable GOP voters--and there are many that get forgotten in all the noise--would take it as a favour, and so privately would lots of GOP officials that wish to not be hogtied by the fringes but don't have the balls to risk losing their jobs in the primaries by opposing their raving whims.

The Dems should take the same advice regarding their extremes too or else it will be rinse, wash, repeat.
Yes, that is the sad truth of US political history.

Also the USA desperately needs an independent body to set electoral boundaries so there is no more gerrymandering, on both sides. Should be at an overall federal level too, even though each state controls its national boundaries at present.

Some of those "reasonable GOP voters" are voting for HRC this time, and also are not voting GOP down the line, to "teach the GOP a lesson".
 

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very true and this loss by the republicans could be very beneficial to them, it may make them look at their party and change a few things so the fridge does not control them any longer!
Absolutely.

You have a big chunk of the GOP in the House who are running away from this stuff given how toxic it's gotten with down ballot effects.

Anyone in the GOP aspiring to be POTUS just witnessed how someone like Trump overtook all sorts of well qualified and character fit candidates either directly or forcing them to go down the drains fighting low to win the primary where Trump was certain to win in the bowels. His last and strongest man standing in the primary was someone worse, Ted Cruz. They are also looking at the election map shrinking as the GOP continues to contract its appeal.

Now would be the time upon HRC's election for Obama to change that trajectory for the good of not only HRC's succession but also the political system and the best interests of the public. A broad pardon that hampers and kills investigative abuses is one thing he can do. The well meaning of the GOP would privately love to be freer of the wingnuts as would the reasonable of the Dems.

Obama's going out the door anyway as term-barred so he's in a prime position in his lame duck to clear the tables and retire. To the right wing fever swampers, he was and will always be an atheist, Muslim, communist illegal immigrant from Kenya, so why the hell should he care what they scream over such a pardon. He could do everyone a solid here and take their toxic toys away and even privately enjoy giving him that payback too.

Toxic panderers and fever swampers in the House are already talking about the plethora of investigations they will do to bring down HRC with a fan base behind them. They will never back down...they only double down. Take away their cards so the nation can get some actual worthwhile business done. IMO, the larger public would prefer to see that, and the politicians of both sides willing to do it will be rewarded for it.
 
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Yes, that is the sad truth of US political history.

Also the USA desperately needs an independent body to set electoral boundaries so there is no more gerrymandering, on both sides. Should be at an overall federal level too, even though each state controls its national boundaries at present.

Some of those "reasonable GOP voters" are voting for HRC this time, and also are not voting GOP down the line, to "teach the GOP a lesson".
All true and good ideas regarding ridding gerrymandering.
 

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I read that one of the republicans who is keeping Obama from getting the confirmation hearings in the senate for the guy he wants to fill Antonin Scalia's seat, now want to have the senate confirm him as he can see Hillary's going to win the election and doesn't want there to be an a free seat on the court which she could fill!
And yet you see people who used to be responsible like John McCain surrendering to the toxic radical whims of Ted Cruz claiming that he'll work to keep the position indefinitely vacant unless it's filled with with an arch-right winger.

Ted Cruz is right: Senate Republicans could block Clinton Supreme Court nominees indefinitely
John McCain surrenders his honor to toxic partisanship — again

Tell me who is worse there...Cruz or McCain? At least Cruz advertises who he is. McCain may be a war hero, but he's turned into a political coward, supporting then dumping Trump, etc. He used to be a guy with broad appeal, and since 2008 where he played his own role in losing his election with his Palin move, he's turned into a weasel to all sides. I hope he loses his re-election bid. He doesn't deserve it, even within the GOP base spectrums as he works to be the worst of all worlds instead of a bridge maker.

This sh!t jumped the shark long ago and will get worse unless the madness is called upon.
 
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Absolutely.

You have a big chunk of the GOP in the House who are running away from this stuff given how toxic it's gotten with down ballot effects.

Anyone in the GOP aspiring to be POTUS just witnessed how someone like Trump overtook all sorts of well qualified and character fit candidates either directly or forcing them to go down the drains fighting low to win the primary where Trump was certain to win in the bowels. His last and strongest man standing in the primary was someone worse, Ted Cruz. They are also looking at the election map shrinking as the GOP continues to contract its appeal.

Now would be the time upon HRC's election for Obama to change that trajectory for the good of not only HRC's succession but also the political system and the best interests of the public. A broad pardon that hampers and kills investigative abuses is one thing he can do. The well meaning of the GOP would privately love to be freer of the wingnuts as would the reasonable of the Dems.

Obama's going out the door anyway as term-barred so he's in a prime position in his lame duck to clear the tables and retire. To the right wing fever swampers, he was and will always be an atheist, Muslim, communist illegal immigrant from Kenya, so why the hell should he care what they scream over such a pardon. He could do everyone a solid here and take their toxic toys away and even privately enjoy giving him that payback too.

Toxic panderers and fever swampers in the House are already talking about the plethora of investigations they will do to bring down HRC with a fan base behind them. They will never back down...they only double down. Take away their cards so the nation can get some actual worthwhile business done. IMO, the larger public would prefer to see that, and the politicians of both sides willing to do it will be rewarded for it.
Good Lord, to read that, you would think that Obama has spent years reaching out to the GOP in a bipartisan way, only to be rebuffed. When has Obama ever worked with the GOP to try and reach a consensus.

Maybe you have a short memory but Obama got elected by bashing G W Bush relentlessly, something he carried on long after his election. He had huge majorities of his own party in Congress for the first two years and pushed through his signature achievement , the Affordable Care Act ( AKA Obamacare) without a single Republican vote in either House of Congress. With premium hikes of 25% and Insurers abandoning the system in their droves, the entire system is on the verge of collapse. Now he wants GOP help to fix the "problems".

Obama never liked the concept of divided government and felt that working with the opposition was beneath him, something that was de riguer for so many of his predecessors. Obama spent 8 years bashing the GOP and acts surprised when they don't want to work with him.

When has Obama ever reached out to work with the GOP?
 

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Good Lord, to read that, you would think that Obama has spent years reaching out to the GOP in a bipartisan way, only to be rebuffed. When has Obama ever worked with the GOP to try and reach a consensus.

Maybe you have a short memory but Obama got elected by bashing G W Bush relentlessly, something he carried on long after his election. He had huge majorities of his own party in Congress for the first two years and pushed through his signature achievement , the Affordable Care Act ( AKA Obamacare) without a single Republican vote in either House of Congress. With premium hikes of 25% and Insurers abandoning the system in their droves, the entire system is on the verge of collapse. Now he wants GOP help to fix the "problems".

Obama never liked the concept of divided government and felt that working with the opposition was beneath him, something that was de riguer for so many of his predecessors. Obama spent 8 years bashing the GOP and acts surprised when they don't want to work with him.

When has Obama ever reached out to work with the GOP?
I've long criticised Obama for having the idea that 'compromise' means watering down his agendas instead of horse trading agendas. GOP politicians have to go home to their base with something other than stating: "I made sure Obama got only half of what he wanted."

That said, the GOP has acted as a major a-hole under his admin, hardly sticking up for things traditionally conservative and just making this a mindless partisan exercise. So let's talk about Obamacare since you brought it up, shall we?

Obama took that idea from the Heritage Foundation and Romneycare. Using the private sector under the GOP's former outline--including people being required to pay their dues for it---was a Republican idea, not a Democrat one. The lefties wanted single payer, an outright pinko commie idea to the GOP when it proposed GOPcare a/k/a Obamacare.

All of a sudden, whilst stringing Obama out on Obamacare so his own base turned against him helping the GOP get the 2010 wave election, it decided to stick him both ends of the blade by opposing everything about it. Not help improve it...just be against it, and with no issue integrity whatsoever given it was a GOP plan to begin with.

Now, as partisan play books go, it worked to get the GOP back in power in Congress. But has it attempted to fix Obamacare or offer any plan to remedy the very serious issues it tries to address? Being sick and/or injured or disabled, etc, isn't a Democrat or Republican problem. It's a general human problem in need of addressing. And the GOP has spent the Obama Admin showing it doesn't give a flying F about being part of solving solutions to even major issues of public importance.

Nor has Obama not tried to offer compromises that fall along bipartisan considerations. Merrick Garland comes to mind for SCOTUS. He's hardly what the left wanted. He's Joe Moderate with an impeccable record that even the GOP praised...until now. Yet who lied to the American people that he must wait until after the election, and now with many stating they'll never vote for any HRC candidates, etc? The Dems didn't filibuster Roberts or Alito, hardly their picks. They are more conservative than Garland is liberal by judicial history.

C'mon mate. The GOP has jumped the shark here on putting partisanship over the public's and the nation's best interests. Hell I never thought I would see a shift to the GOP being pro-Kremlin with Trump and wikileaks that it once opposed on national security grounds and the Western way of life, but yet it is. Reagan can join JFK in the Irish pub in Heaven mourning that.
 
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I hope such blanket pardons are given. I have been reading articles on how the worst is yet to come for HRC as it will occur after she becomes POTUS.
Link please.
 

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Not to mention if trump looses this election Hillary will put at least one justice on the Supreme Court
Ruth Bader Ginsberg (83) and Anthony Kennedy (80) are in God's waiting room and will hardly last another four years either.
 

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I've long criticised Obama for having the idea that 'compromise' means watering down his agendas instead of horse trading agendas. GOP politicians have to go home to their base with something other than stating: "I made sure Obama got only half of what he wanted."

That said, the GOP has acted as a major a-hole under his admin, hardly sticking up for things traditionally conservative and just making this a mindless partisan exercise. So let's talk about Obamacare since you brought it up, shall we?

Obama took that idea from the Heritage Foundation and Romneycare. Using the private sector under the GOP's former outline--including people being required to pay their dues for it---was a Republican idea, not a Democrat one. The lefties wanted single payer, an outright pinko commie idea to the GOP when it proposed GOPcare a/k/a Obamacare.

All of a sudden, whilst stringing Obama out on Obamacare so his own base turned against him helping the GOP get the 2010 wave election, it decided to stick him both ends of the blade by opposing everything about it. Not help improve it...just be against it, and with no issue integrity whatsoever given it was a GOP plan to begin with.

Now, as partisan play books go, it worked to get the GOP back in power in Congress. But has it attempted to fix Obamacare or offer any plan to remedy the very serious issues it tries to address? Being sick and/or injured or disabled, etc, isn't a Democrat or Republican problem. It's a general human problem in need of addressing. And the GOP has spent the Obama Admin showing it doesn't give a flying F about being part of solving solutions to even major issues of public importance.

Nor has Obama not tried to offer compromises that fall along bipartisan considerations. Merrick Garland comes to mind for SCOTUS. He's hardly what the left wanted. He's Joe Moderate with an impeccable record that even the GOP praised...until now. Yet who lied to the American people that he must wait until after the election, and now with many stating they'll never vote for any HRC candidates, etc? The Dems didn't filibuster Roberts or Alito, hardly their picks. They are more conservative than Garland is liberal by judicial history.

C'mon mate. The GOP has jumped the shark here on putting partisanship over the public's and the nation's best interests. Hell I never thought I would see a shift to the GOP being pro-Kremlin with Trump and wikileaks that it once opposed on national security grounds and the Western way of life, but yet it is. Reagan can join JFK in the Irish pub in Heaven mourning that.
Oh yes they did. Have you forgotten about this?

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/269719-white-house-obama-regrets-his-filibuster-of-supreme-court-nomineehttp://

As a senator from Illinois, Obama and 23 other senators attempted to stage a filibuster to block a confirmation vote on Alito, one of former President George W. Bush’s picks to serve on the bench

My main point stands and that is that Obama for all his bellyaching about the GOP has never done anything to work with them.

Obama did many things as a Senator that once President he decried the opposition for doing.

Another example was the debt ceiling, it was a leadership failure by G W Bush and then Senator Obama voted against it. Of course we know what happened to the debt ceiling under Obamas leadership.

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. ... I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”

— Then-Sen. Barack Obama, floor speech in the Senate, March 16, 2006
 

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Rachel Maddow last night!

[video=youtube;u9VIr-GUbAM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9VIr-GUbAM[/video]
 


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