Republicans will be tearing down Irish infastructure on the border



death or glory

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They will comply with any final agreement.

If the UK does not put in any infrastructure then it will be a great way to make the UK pay for Brexit.

"Loss of revenue
Smuggling creates a black economy which is out of the governments tax net and regulators net. This can lead to loss of revenue to the government.

•Hurting domestic industry
It can be a doom to local industry .
As you don't seem to realise there is presently a border between Northern Ireland and Eire, and smuggling already is a major fundraiser for Republican criminals and terrorists (ie slab murphy). The different tax rates between these two different countries means loads of illegality currently exists as criminals currently make money smuggling items like drugs, cigarettes, heating oil, diesel, stolen cattle and sheep between the two countries.

Local industry goods has variety of taxes imposed on them . Smuggling bypasses these taxes leading to the destruction of local industry
http://m.indiatoday.in/story/con...
•Promoting Criminal activities
Most of the profits earned from smuggling are earned by crime syndicates. This gives them money to run their criminal activities.
Rise in criminal activities discourages bussiness from setuping. It also affects tourism
As you don't seem to realise there is presently a border between Northern Ireland and Eire, and smuggling already is a major fundraiser for Republican criminals and terrorists (ie slab murphy). The different tax rates between these two different countries means loads of illegality currently exists as criminals currently make money smuggling items like drugs, cigarettes, heating oil, diesel, stolen cattle and sheep between the two countries.

•Smuggling creates instability
Countries in Africa such as Angola , Ivory Coast , Sierra Leone are affected by civil wars which is funded by blood diamonds (
Diamonds mined in a war zone and sold to finance aninsurgency, an invading army's war efforts, or a warlord's activity.). Instability discourages bussiness and investments.
http://money.howstuffworks.com/a...
As you don't seem to realise there is presently a border between Northern Ireland and Eire, and smuggling already is a major fundraiser for Republican criminals and terrorists (ie slab murphy). The different tax rates between these two different countries means loads of illegality currently exists as criminals currently make money smuggling items like drugs, cigarettes, heating oil, diesel, stolen cattle and sheep between the two countries.

•Smuggling people into a country can strain resources of the country.
Smuggling of people from a nation to another nation can lead to tension and strain of resources in the latter nation. Large influx of refugees from a war torn neighbour can hurt loc economies.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/p...
As you don't seem to realise there is presently a border between Northern Ireland and Eire. There are 2 different sets of cultural identities
and is highlighted when crossing the border by different currency speed limits and road signs.

•Smuggling of technologies and corporate secrets
Smuggling of corporate secrets and technologies can cause a long term damage to economies and if the technologies are military technologies can pose a risk to the nation
http://www.thetower.org/4087-cal..."

http://m.washingtontimes.com/new...
Now you really are clutching at straws with this arguement.
 

death or glory

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Yes I heard that. Only Brit passport holders. Are they insane?
In fact as its the Eire government who will enforce the border, I think I will apply for one of the custom jobs over Lifford bridge.
I'm sure equality means that I as a British passport holder are welcome to apply and I would enforce the rules vigorously and I hear the civil servants in Eire are paid generously with great holidays even though it would be in Yoyos.
 

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Now you really are clutching at straws with this arguement.
FYI:

"When the UK leaves the European Union, the economic and legal status of the border between Northern and Southern Ireland could be affected. No one yet knows how it will be affected, but one of the issues is whether trade will still be able to move freely, without customs checks.

In 2016, 15% of Northern Irish sales and exports beyond its own geographical borders went to the Republic of Ireland. If we discount sales to the rest of the United Kingdom—counting just ‘exports’ to foreign countries—then 35% of Northern Irish exports are to the Republic.

Why does Irish border trade matter?
The UK has one land border with another country—that’s the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

Currently, both the UK and Ireland are in the EU, and within the EU goods and services can cross borders without undergoing any customs checks. When the UK leaves the EU, however, it will have to work out a new arrangement for the Irish border."

https://fullfact.org/europe/irish-border-trade/
 

death or glory

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FYI:

"When the UK leaves the European Union, the economic and legal status of the border between Northern and Southern Ireland could be affected. No one yet knows how it will be affected, but one of the issues is whether trade will still be able to move freely, without customs checks.

In 2016, 15% of Northern Irish sales and exports beyond its own geographical borders went to the Republic of Ireland. If we discount sales to the rest of the United Kingdom—counting just ‘exports’ to foreign countries—then 35% of Northern Irish exports are to the Republic.

Why does Irish border trade matter?
The UK has one land border with another country—that’s the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

Currently, both the UK and Ireland are in the EU, and within the EU goods and services can cross borders without undergoing any customs checks. When the UK leaves the EU, however, it will have to work out a new arrangement for the Irish border."

https://fullfact.org/europe/irish-border-trade/
•Smuggling of technologies and corporate secrets
Smuggling of corporate secrets and technologies can cause a long term damage to economies and if the technologies are military technologies can pose a risk to the nation
http://www.thetower.org/4087-cal..."

http://m.washingtontimes.com/new...
Now you really are clutching at straws with this arguement.
 

Franzoni

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Yes I heard that. Only Brit passport holders. Are they insane?
You have to ask...?...:)

Whats even more insane is people alienating themselves from a market of 450 million people on their doorstep and thinking them can dictate trade terms to emerging global superpowers like China and India like it was the 18th century all over again...or people thinking they can still make money trading into a neighbouring Island that will have shrinking spending powers over the next few years and who will continue to bankroll them no questions asked...........

Sooner or later a growing number of people will see the DUP have led them down into a social and economic cul-de-sac......a party that also seems to have a growing number of investigations into the behaviour and conduct of it's elected officials....

I also see we have a anti Brexit Unionist in the Seanad now....good to see a bit of common sense prevailing at last.......
 

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[Ireland will] be under an obligation to put the appropriate infrastructure on their side of the border ... whereupon various republicans will turn up and burn it down, and all the rest of it, but they’ll be burning down Irish infrastructure because we’re not going to put anything on our side of the border.

Read more at: https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/s...rder-poll-but-it-won-t-says-trimble-1-8479501

So if you don't like a hard border it will be the EU and Eire who will be enforcing it.
You should be tested....dementia, stifled puberty and rabies would be a good start...
 

death or glory

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You have not given any sort of argument?
Well how can you have an arguement about "Smuggling of technologies and corporate secrets" when in relation to the Northern Ireland border and Brexit.
Maybe you can explain me the relevance and an example?
 

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Well how can you have an arguement about "Smuggling of technologies and corporate secrets" when in relation to the Northern Ireland border and Brexit.
Maybe you can explain me the relevance and an example?
This has no bearing on the matter of a border between the UK and the EU.
 

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death or glory

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Do you understand that their will be a border between the UK and the EU? That their has not been one for economic matters until Brexit?
There has been a border on the island of Ireland for 97 years, we have different currencies and tax rates and things like cattle, sheep and diesel need approval to cross over the border.
 

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[Ireland will] be under an obligation to put the appropriate infrastructure on their side of the border ... whereupon various republicans will turn up and burn it down, and all the rest of it, but they’ll be burning down Irish infrastructure because we’re not going to put anything on our side of the border.

Read more at: https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/s...rder-poll-but-it-won-t-says-trimble-1-8479501

So if you don't like a hard border it will be the EU and Eire who will be enforcing it.
Wheire's Eire?
 

Cai

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[Ireland will] be under an obligation to put the appropriate infrastructure on their side of the border ... whereupon various republicans will turn up and burn it down, and all the rest of it, but they’ll be burning down Irish infrastructure because we’re not going to put anything on our side of the border.

Read more at: https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/s...rder-poll-but-it-won-t-says-trimble-1-8479501

So if you don't like a hard border it will be the EU and Eire who will be enforcing it.
You’re naive. The UK government will throw you under a bus as soon as it’s in it’s interests to do so.
 

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Folks, I’m not sure you guys understand what you’re dealing with here .,,

Dog, who started this thread, is a NI farmer who actually believes that brexit will be “great” for farming here ,,,,, just thought youse should know what class of genius you’re dealing with :? Lol
 

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I’ve spoken to some local farmers here and none could understand how a hard border can be avoided, that is, if the RoI want to preserve its farm and food industry. We need a hard border, yes, and the hardest possible border to protect Irish farmers, their produce and that of their European counterparts. The more militant French will certainly not tolerate American hormone injected beef entering the EU market and undercutting their produce.

Politicians will have to start being honest with people and that includes the DUP in NI, no use telling people and enterprise that the (soon to be) EU border will be frictionless, a frictionless border does not exist anywhere in the universe, the term is an oxymoron. Barnier (the French negotiator) has already hinted about border control and the Irish PM has conceded that it may happen.

At the end of the day a solution will be worked out at EU/UK level and the relevant governments will have to comply, the UK/Irish citizens who are impacted will simply have to adapt to the new situation as well.

So, come 2019 and the new EU border will emerge on this Island.
 


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