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raetsel

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"The Football Association of Ireland has been urged to “respect the boundary lines” and stop poaching players from the North. Five DUP MPs have backed a motion calling for the Irish footballing body to state that it will end the pursuit of Northern Irish footballers. "

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ers-dup-tells-irish-football-chiefs-gxvm7pp9m

Why do the dup ask for what they know they will not get rather than seeking a compromise?
If they want to end bigotry in football then they need to get rid of the IFA's divisive choice of flag and anthem. The flag they use was only ever that of the now defunct and totally discredited sectarian NI Parliament, and never formally represented the wider NI statelet as such, anyway. If they really wanted to be inclusive (and keep up to date) the IFA could and would have opted for its successor long ago, the NI Assembly "flax flower" flag because it at least has acceptance from both sides.
Ulster unionists, or the majority of them at any rate, have no desire to show any respect for the wishes of nationalists, because they despise us and always have. Let them rot in their apartheid state. We are well on the road to becoming the majority and will win eventually so we need to do nothing.
The fact that they still actually expect us to end our resistance to their cultural supremacy now shows how out of touch these thick morons in the IFA, (and their surrogates in the DUP) actually are. But stupid management has generally been the the hallmark of association football everywhere (and indeed within unionism) for as long as anyone can remember, so it's not a surprise that they are at least consistent with the norm.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flags_used_in_Northern_Ireland

 

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Mr Shannon's motion states: "That this House expresses concern over the pursuit of Northern Ireland (NI) born football players by the Football Association Ireland; and calls for the chief executive of the FAI, John Delaney, to send out a clear message that there will be no poaching of NI players, that the boundary lines will be respected and honoured, and that the game will be played fairly and within the rules."

Jeffrey Donaldson, Paul Girvan, Gavin Robinson, David Simpson are the other DUP MPS to have signed the motion.

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/d...oundary-lines-poaching-ni-born-players-154682


WTF

"Poaching has traditionally been defined as the illegal hunting or capturing of wild animals, usually associated with land use rights."

If the DUP think its illegal why do they not take it to court?
 

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Mr Shannon's motion states: "That this House expresses concern over the pursuit of Northern Ireland (NI) born football players by the Football Association Ireland; and calls for the chief executive of the FAI, John Delaney, to send out a clear message that there will be no poaching of NI players, that the boundary lines will be respected and honoured, and that the game will be played fairly and within the rules."

Jeffrey Donaldson, Paul Girvan, Gavin Robinson, David Simpson are the other DUP MPS to have signed the motion.

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/d...oundary-lines-poaching-ni-born-players-154682


WTF

"Poaching has traditionally been defined as the illegal hunting or capturing of wild animals, usually associated with land use rights."

If the DUP think its illegal why do they not take it to court?
They whinge continually about poaching, but I've never actually seen them produce any evidence of it anyway. Clearly there is an issue of young nationalists opting to play for the Republic as is their right, but why is it so difficult to understand that so many of them are more comfortable playing under a flag and anthem that they can identify with, rather than the uncompromising symbols of an enemy who discriminated against and indeed often murdered previous generations of their families?
The strangest element here is that lobbying by a bunch of anti-Catholic DUP throwbacks on a divisive, sensitive issue on behalf of the IFA will inevitably conflate the two organisations in the eyes of nationalists and do even further harm to the latter group's image, and it hasn't even occurred to them. Don't the DUP realise how toxic their association with this cause is going to be in the eyes of the "crocodiles"? :) It's not unlike suggesting that it might help to end the current "Black Lives Matter" anthem protests in American football by asking the KKK to intervene.
I never cease to wonder how out of touch with reality hard-line unionism actually is. The DUP have resisted tooth and nail every single reform ever intended to end discrimination against nationalists, from equal access to housing to fair employment, and to this day still show utter contempt for Irish culture, and yet fail to consider that by openly making the football allegiance issue a matter of common interest for themselves and the IFA that they further taint the latter group with the whiff of DUP sectarianism, merely by association.
DUP/IFA - now there's a novel double acronym.....................
 

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Peter Canavan?
trolling your own thread only a couple of pages in :D

Hardly anybody watches GAA in Northern Ireland. It's a source if division and having watched the low level excitement of scoring a solitary one point between the posts and the 'euphoria' of a close range goal from a few feet I know its traditional shyte that's never going to catch on and only survived because of resistance/hatred of anything considered British.

It's mind numbingly boring. To the point I'd rather turn the tv off.
 

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They whinge continually about poaching, but I've never actually seen them produce any evidence of it anyway. Clearly there is an issue of young nationalists opting to play for the Republic as is their right, but why is it so difficult to understand that so many of them are more comfortable playing under a flag and anthem that they can identify with, rather than the uncompromising symbols of an enemy who discriminated against and indeed often murdered previous generations of their families?
The strangest element here is that lobbying by a bunch of anti-Catholic DUP throwbacks on a divisive, sensitive issue on behalf of the IFA will inevitably conflate the two organisations in the eyes of nationalists and do even further harm to the latter group's image, and it hasn't even occurred to them. Don't the DUP realise how toxic their association with this cause is going to be in the eyes of the "crocodiles"? :) It's not unlike suggesting that it might help to end the current "Black Lives Matter" anthem protests in American football by asking the KKK to intervene.
I never cease to wonder how out of touch with reality hard-line unionism actually is. The DUP have resisted tooth and nail every single reform ever intended to end discrimination against nationalists, from equal access to housing to fair employment, and to this day still show utter contempt for Irish culture, and yet fail to consider that by openly making the football allegiance issue a matter of common interest for themselves and the IFA that they further taint the latter group with the whiff of DUP sectarianism, merely by association.
DUP/IFA - now there's a novel double acronym.....................
Waa themmuns waaa themmuns give us what we want waaaah
 

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Oh dear, please don't be a sock of a sock. (Correct spelling).
 

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As they chant on the kop ' ye can stick yer flax fleg up yer hole'....
 

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Oh dear, please don't be a sock of a sock. (Correct spelling).
A whinge is just a whinge isn't it. The DUP can't even ask for respect for our football association's financial investment, dignity, cultural expression with out an hysterical whinge by the said gentleman.

The more people respect each other the more we are likely to be tolerant of each other I suspect. Whatever happened to the day's of Martin attending windsor park and meeting the queen? They seem to be lost with him.
 

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If they want to end bigotry in football then they need to get rid of the IFA's divisive choice of flag and anthem. The flag they use was only ever that of the now defunct and totally discredited sectarian NI Parliament, and never formally represented the wider NI statelet as such, anyway. If they really wanted to be inclusive (and keep up to date) the IFA could and would have opted for its successor long ago, the NI Assembly "flax flower" flag because it at least has acceptance from both sides.
Ulster unionists, or the majority of them at any rate, have no desire to show any respect for the wishes of nationalists, because they despise us and always have. Let them rot in their apartheid state. We are well on the road to becoming the majority and will win eventually so we need to do nothing.
The fact that they still actually expect us to end our resistance to their cultural supremacy now shows how out of touch these thick morons in the IFA, (and their surrogates in the DUP) actually are. But stupid management has generally been the the hallmark of association football everywhere (and indeed within unionism) for as long as anyone can remember, so it's not a surprise that they are at least consistent with the norm.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flags_used_in_Northern_Ireland

The first 6 words of that were promising but were blown apart by the rest of that bigoted diatribe.
 

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As they chant on the kop ' ye can stick yer flax fleg up yer hole'....
"No surrender...................... prepared for peace, ready to sell cocaine, FTP...............KAT.....................we'll never forsake the blue hues of an Ulster meths cocktail for Grey Goose in an Irish Republic.":)
Good man! You're nothing if not entirely predictable. You'd eat your arm off rather than make your life better in a shared Ireland.
Keep holding out for everything. It guarantees that you'll lose it all eventually.
 

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A whinge is just a whinge isn't it. The DUP can't even ask for respect for our football association's financial investment, dignity, cultural expression with out an hysterical whinge by the said gentleman.

The more people respect each other the more we are likely to be tolerant of each other I suspect. Whatever happened to the day's of Martin attending windsor park and meeting the queen? They seem to be lost with him.
Northern Irish ministers attending a Northern Ireland match was portrayed as “outreach” by SF and something was expected in return. That ridiculous position demonstrates a lack of respect in my opinion. Bunch of chancers. If they don’t want to go to Windsor, then that’s fine by me and I’d suggest the majority of football fans.
 

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The first 6 words of that were promising but were blown apart by the rest of that bigoted diatribe.
It was actually a response to bigotry - i.e. stick your sectarian, one-sided non-compromise up your hole.
 

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"No surrender...................... prepared for peace, ready to sell cocaine, FTP...............KAT.....................we'll never forsake the blue hues of an Ulster meths cocktail for Grey Goose in an Irish Republic.":)
Good man! You're nothing if not entirely predictable. You'd eat your arm off rather than make your life better in a shared Ireland.
Keep holding out for everything. It guarantees that you'll lose it all eventually.
Ach sure maybe some day we'll be as respectful as yer rant, duh ye hypocritical ballix, lmfao...
 

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Ach sure maybe some day we'll be as respectful as yer rant, duh ye hypocritical ballix, lmfao...
As far as I'm concerned I am not interested in seeking respect from you anymore, because it will only ever be offered very, very grudgingly, when it is far too late, and offered out of a position of total weakness. You despise nationalism and have never hidden the fact. Unionists had two decades for reconciliation and compromise, and have squandered the opportunity.
The only potential solution to address the dysfunctional sectarianism of north eastern Ireland is the one that hasn't yet been tried - Irish unity. As far as nationalists are concerned, it is the only one left on the table, and the discussion with unionism about alternatives has come to an end for good.
You created that situation and now you'd do well to start coming to terms with it.
 

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"The Football Association of Ireland has been urged to “respect the boundary lines” and stop poaching players from the North. Five DUP MPs have backed a motion calling for the Irish footballing body to state that it will end the pursuit of Northern Irish footballers. "

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ers-dup-tells-irish-football-chiefs-gxvm7pp9m

Why do the dup ask for what they know they will not get rather than seeking a compromise?
In fairness, I think the DUP Five-a-side would be prepared to compromise. If we promised not allow NI Catlicks to play for the ROI, they'd be happy to promise that they wouldn't be allowed to play for NI either.
 

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In fairness, I think the DUP Five-a-side would be prepared to compromise. If we promised not allow NI Catlicks to play for the ROI, they'd be happy to promise that they wouldn't be allowed to play for NI either.
Well, show them the generous bottom line and they'll learn the national anthem as Gaeilge.
 

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trolling your own thread only a couple of pages in :D

Hardly anybody watches GAA in Northern Ireland. It's a source if division and having watched the low level excitement of scoring a solitary one point between the posts and the 'euphoria' of a close range goal from a few feet I know its traditional shyte that's never going to catch on and only survived because of resistance/hatred of anything considered British.

It's mind numbingly boring. To the point I'd rather turn the tv off.
Avg Irish league attendance 1000+ avg Ulster GAA attendance 12000+ (2017)

That doesn't quite square does it really.
 
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