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Restore the papal tiara

Insider2007

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For over a millenium until 1965 popes wore a papal tiara, the papal crown, at secular ceremonies in the Vatican. There are around 15 surviving tiaras, the oldest dating from the 16th century, the newest from 1963. Paul gave his 1963 tiara to the Catholic Church in the US and it is on display in Washington's RC Cathedral.

Though he never abolished the tiara, he abandoned wearing his own. IN his 1975 apostolic contitution Pope Paul required that his successor be crowned. This rule however was disobeyed by Pope John Paul I, who opted for a rather naff inauguration ceremony which was almost made up as it went along (there had been no rite for the ceremony ready and they had to make one up when he refused to have the traditional coronation).

I am certainly not a conservative Catholic but I regret that the tiaras are not worn any more. Many of them were spectacularly beautiful and very historic. Some of the papal mitres now worn instead of tiaras at the urbi et orbi ceremony are grotesque and embarrassing. If many of the old tiaras had the 'wow' factor, many of the mitres have the 'ugh' factor.



The one above is the oldest surviving tiara, dating from the sixteenth century. It has not been worn for centuries by popes but is used to crown a statue of Peter annually.

The one below is Gregory XVI's tiara from I think 1835.



The tiara below is the Belgian Tiara given by the ladies of the Belgian Royal Court to Pope Pius IX in 1871.



The one below is the Palatine Tiara, given to Pius IX by the Palatine Guard in 1877. It was the coronation tiara of Pius XI, Pius XII and John XXIII. It is the most recognisable of the papal tiaras.



The tiara below was given to Pope Leo XIII by Kaiser Wilhelm I in 1888.



The one below is the Milan Tiara of Pius XI, worn in the picture by John XXIII. (Whereas most popes wore one or two of the collection, Pope John wore most of the main tiaras at one stage, but the Milan Tiara was the one he was most often photographed wearing.)



Below is John wearing his own tiara, presented to him in 1959 and the lightest in the papal collection, weighing just 3 lbs. His election was such a surprise that his native area had not time to get a tiara made for him in time, but presented him with his new, lightweight tiara a year later.



Oops. Wrong tiara. This is him wearing his own tiara. The one above is Pius XI's Milan tiara.



This is the final tiara (to date), given by the people of Milan to Paul VI. As well as a futuristic modern design, it was also one of the heaviest to wear. The picture showed his coronation in 1963.



Or being carried in state.



He stopped wearing it later in 1965, ceremonially placing it on the altar of St Peters. (below)



John Paul II left it up to his successors to decide whether to be crowned or inaugurated. He specified the "inauguration of a pontificate" but a pontificate can be inaugurated (ie ceremonially begun) by means either of an inauguration or of a coronation. He avoided specifying that a "papal inauguration" was the form of ceremony to be used, simply that some ceremony be used to inaugurate a pontficate. Given his love of pre-Vatican II liturgy, there was surprise when Josef Ratzinger as Pope Benedict XVI opted for an inauguration rite rather than a coronation. There was even more surprise when his personal coat of arms controversially broke with tradition by not including a papal tiara, though some versions later started to include the tiara again.

I'm not a conservative (at all) but it but maybe it is time the pope began wearing the tiaras again. They have been sent around the world on a tour and drew massive crowds in Europe and the US, so there is obviously still an interest in them. Some of them are indeed very historic and spectularly beautiful.
 


caulfield-the-yank

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Okay. As soon as my daughter can be elected Pope.

She'd love it. She, too, loves to dress up.

Bippity -- boppity -- boo!
 

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caulfield-the-yank said:
Okay. As soon as my daughter can be elected Pope.

She'd love it. She, too, loves to dress up.

Bippity -- boppity -- boo!
And dare I say it, both the tiaras and the mitres are as camp as christmas! :lol:
 

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I agree - it indeed would be a good and proper thing - too much has been ditched to pacify the liberals
 

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You're a divil, Insider, even though, when you express your regrets to the Progressive Democrats, you do remind me of a "compassionate" veterinerian about to put down a Puppy Dog.

Still, you're invited to join me and MacEHaVelly for a pint! (Cf. different thread.)
 

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beardyboy said:
I agree - it indeed would be a good and proper thing - too much has been ditched to pacify the liberals
Well I don't think the Papal Tiara, or the Triegnum as it's also called, was done away with to pacify liberals. I think it is more a gesture of humility that Pope Paul VI would refuse to wear it.

Albino Luciani - a very great man who would go on to become John Paul I for about a month - took things further when he replaced the old Papal Coronation with a simpler Inaugural Mass. This was in keeping with the theme of "Humilitas" that Luciani chose for his Papacy.

Also when you consider that the tiara is a symbol of papal authority over kings and emperors, I'm not convinced that it is appropriate that the "Servant of the Servants of God" would wear it.
 

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Another bad idea by the Church to ditch the wearing of the Tiara -

though done with good intentions it didn't gain the Church anything and indeed lost it a degree of respect with those who look for Authority,not humility, from the leader of the Catholic Faith on this Earth.
 

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Catalpa said:
Another bad idea by the Church to ditch the wearing of the Tiara -

though done with good intentions it didn't gain the Church anything and indeed lost it a degree of respect with those who look for Authority,not humility, from the leader of the Catholic Faith on this Earth.
Well humility is always a good quality in a Christian leader. They might as well practice what they preach.
 

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mjcoughlan said:
Catalpa said:
Another bad idea by the Church to ditch the wearing of the Tiara -

though done with good intentions it didn't gain the Church anything and indeed lost it a degree of respect with those who look for Authority,not humility, from the leader of the Catholic Faith on this Earth.
Well humility is always a good quality in a Christian leader. They might as well practice what they preach.
Personal humility combined with institutional Authority - but keep them seperate.
 

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Insider2007 said:
The one above is the oldest surviving tiara, dating from the sixteenth century. It has not been worn for centuries by popes but is used to crown a statue of Peter annually.
Grown men venerating, and actually crowning, a statue? I know we're supposed to respect all religions equally, but I really don't know where some people get the idea that some religions like Roman Catholicism are less weird or bizarre than a typical cult following. Bizarre.
 

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Tigrrr said:
Insider2007 said:
The one above is the oldest surviving tiara, dating from the sixteenth century. It has not been worn for centuries by popes but is used to crown a statue of Peter annually.
Grown men venerating, and actually crowning, a statue? I know we're supposed to respect all religions equally, but I really don't know where some people get the idea that some religions like Roman Catholicism are less weird or bizarre than a typical cult following. Bizarre.
It's not the statue people are honouring, but what the statue represents.
 

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Insider,

A little factual innacuracy there methinks. Paul VI wore his tiara, donated to him by the people of Milan on his election, at the closing ceremonies for the second vatican council (December 8th, 1965) where, at the end of the ceremonies marking the occasion, he decended from the papal throne and placed his tiara on the alter and thereafter never wore it again. Therefore, it was worn after 1963, which you state is the last occasion a tiara was worn.

Secondly, any pope is free to depart from a previous popes apolostic constitution as at the moment of election they assume all the powers of the office.

In this case both Pope John Paul I and Pope John Paul II departed from the constitution of Paul VI (ROMANO PONTIFICI ELIGENDO, 1975 - "on the election of the Roman Pontiff) upon their election, both in 1978.

In in an updating of Paul's constitution, done by Pope John Paul II in 1996,(UNIVERSI DOMINICI GREGIS), the reference to a coronation is dropped and instead is replaced by a reference to a "solemn ceremony of the inauguration", which is open to interpretation and therefore leaves it open to any future pontiff to be either crowned or continue with the present ceremonies, as last seen for Benedict XVI.
 

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Agreed! They should do something. With those white robes the pope wears, he's only short of a hood with slits for the eyes and he could get away with burning crosses in people's gardens. A nice taira might complement the white robes. Or if Ratzy thinks a tiara is too showey, he could also go for a plain felt hat with a bit of net down the front and a few fresh flowers stuck in the side. :lol:
 

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You people can't be serious. The Triregnum was an artifact of imperial one-upmanship and derivative pomp, and its dumping was one of the few likeable things the papacy has done in the last century.

On the list of things that need to be changed in the RC, I think it should come pretty low - but of course, that's not how the typical Catholic thinks. Rather, undoing change comes atop the list. Why fix a two thousand year old problem when you can revive a seven hundred year old piece of obnoxious camp?
 

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I wonder what would Our Lord Jesus Christ think of his vicars wearing a tiara?

My musing is not given with a hostile intent, although I prefer an austere form of Christianity in the spirit of what Christ had in mind when He said: "The beasts have lairs, the birds have nests, and the Son of Man has no place to lay his head."
 

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L'Chaim said:
Agreed! They should do something. With those white robes the pope wears, he's only short of a hood with slits for the eyes and he could get away with burning crosses in people's gardens. A nice taira might complement the white robes. Or if Ratzy thinks a tiara is too showey, he could also go for a plain felt hat with a bit of net down the front and a few fresh flowers stuck in the side. :lol:
And slap a box on his forehead, nod around like one of those dogs you used to see on car windows while being careful not to headbut a wall :lol:
 

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Tigrrr said:
Insider2007 said:
The one above is the oldest surviving tiara, dating from the sixteenth century. It has not been worn for centuries by popes but is used to crown a statue of Peter annually.
Grown men venerating, and actually crowning, a statue? I know we're supposed to respect all religions equally, but I really don't know where some people get the idea that some religions like Roman Catholicism are less weird or bizarre than a typical cult following. Bizarre.
Are you terry666 by the way?
 


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