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Results circulating on internet show abrupt surge in support for Five Star Movement, which wants to reboot Italian politics


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Results circulating on internet show abrupt surge in support for Five Star Movement, which wants to reboot Italian politics

All the evidence suggests that, when the result of Italy's general election is known later on Monday, it will be a deafening – and sensational – Basta! (That's enough!). The publication of polls in the last two weeks of the campaign is banned in Italy. But results circulating on the internet showed an abrupt surge in support for the Five Star Movement (M5S), which wants to force a reboot, not just of Italy's sleazy politics but of its cronyistic society too.

For the first time in 20 years, we have seen an election that has not been hijacked by the sayings and doings of Silvio Berlusconi. Instead, it has been seized by another, equally controversial figure – the M5S's barnstorming frontman, Beppe Grillo.
The latest reported poll results come from surveys carried out a day or two ago. There are good reasons for thinking the M5S's final result will be even better than they suggest.

One is the likelihood that Grillo's massively attended final rally in Rome has generated last-minute momentum. Another is the weather.

Heavy snow has fallen across parts of northern and central Italy. More is forecast for Monday. There have been violent storms in the Mezzogiorno, southern Italy. And they could return.

Unsurprisingly, turnout is down. By midday, it was off by one and a half percentage points. And that favours the M5S.
Italy elections: an end to sleaze and cronyism? | World news | guardian.co.uk

Could M5S actually pull off an actual victory today!? Wow!

Any thoughts on how this is gonna shake out in Europe in general?

Could Ireland benefit from a TRUE outsider party?

Lot's of questions...
 


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As I understand it there's no Party (Grillo) just a movement seeking 'change' whatever that means.

I'll make a prediction Grillo and his ilk will get the seats form a party but eventually succumb to the grubby business that is politics.
 

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S--t >>> fan.

Is this going to be The Official Italian Election Results Thread?
 

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I think one needs to be careful when reading the Guardian on this sort of thing. You have to remember that they want it to be real.

1. They're not going to win. The Democratic Party will be the largest party at the end of voting.

2. Looking at an individual party's result doesn't matter, you need to factor in their partners. So yes, M5S could finish above People of Freedom, but they're not going to finish above them + the Northern League + Great South etc.

3. People's political graves are marked with "We're going to be Silvio!" Until his head has been removed from his body and both are situated in concrete tankers 1000 miles apart, he can win.

4. Unless they're insane, if it's a close run thing they'll end up backing some sort of coalition between Monti and Bersani.

Unless of course Monti and Bersani's team just decide to ignore them. Which they can. M5S can't go in with the Right parties without destroying themselves. So the centre/left coalition can just ignore them utterly and have a much more stable governing role than they otherwise would.
 
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The main thing is that Monti gets kicked square in the nuts for imposing Brussels-rule on a free people.
 

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The main thing is that Monti gets kicked square in the nuts for imposing Brussels-rule on a free people.
I'm trying to decide what the reaction of the Irish would have been if a Taoiseach was appointed like Monti was in Italy.
 

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The main thing is that Monti gets kicked square in the nuts for imposing Brussels-rule on a free people.
Yeah much better to have left Silvio in charge. :rolleyes:
 

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I'm trying to decide what the reaction of the Irish would have been if a Taoiseach was appointed like Monti was in Italy.
If we appointed an ex-EU Commissioner as Taoiseach, which of our many Gems would we choose? Peter Sutherland? Padraig Flynn?
 

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There are no hard figures in the Guardian article. Need some meat on those bones.
 

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I think one needs to be careful when reading the Guardian on this sort of thing. You have to remember that they want it to be real.

1. They're not going to win. The Democratic Party will be the largest party at the end of voting.

2. Looking at an individual party's result doesn't matter, you need to factor in their partners. So yes, M5S could finish above People of Freedom, but they're not going to finish above them + the Northern League + Great South etc.

3. People's political graves are marked with "We're going to be Silvio!" Until his head has been removed from his body and both are situated in concrete tankers 1000 miles apart, he can win.

4. Unless they're insane, if it's a close run thing they'll end up backing some sort of coalition between Monti and Bersani.

Unless of course Monti and Bersani's team just decide to ignore them. Which they can. M5S can't go in with the Right parties without destroying themselves. So the centre/left coalition can just ignore them utterly and have a much more stable governing role than they otherwise would.
Sync has pretty much hit the nail on the head with his comments, but just to expand:

1. Reports circulating on the internet: If we're talking about voting reports on online forums, Grillo's supporters are younger, and more cyber-savvy than those supporting the mainstream blocs, so it would be unsurprising if M5S were leading polls under such conditions.
2. As with SF in the Republic, being the recipient of the protest vote limits your seat numbers compared to your actual vote percentage, and none of the three coalitions are currently prepared to do business with him, so even if M5S were to be the largest party, they couldn't form a government.
 

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If the Exit Polls are confirmed, then I'm surprised. In times of austerity, the parties that do well tend to be those with a more negative, nationalist agenda, who blame others (outsiders) for the nation's problems.
 

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It's in keeping with the polls which had Bersani getting about 30% of the vote. While he's yet to be wrapped in silver and buried in the ground, you do get the feeling that the people have had enough of Silvio and that the party's over. Had another Nationalist been in there, it may have been closer.
 

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Italy elections: an end to sleaze and cronyism? | World news | guardian.co.uk

Could M5S actually pull off an actual victory today!? Wow!

Any thoughts on how this is gonna shake out in Europe in general?

Could Ireland benefit from a TRUE outsider party?

Lot's of questions...
Could M5S win?

No actually, never was a chance, turnout was far too low.

Exit polls show Bersani's centre-left coalition leading with 34.5%, Berlusconi's centre-right grouping on 29%, Grillo on 19% and Monti's centrists on 9.5%.

Bad day for Monti, bubble burst for Grillo.

RAI have this:

Centre-left coalition (Bersani): 35-37%
Centre-right coalition (Berlusconi): 29-31%
Five Star: 19-21%
Centrist coalition (Monti): 8-10%
So can Bersani hold a wildly divergent leftist coalition together?

Probably for 6 months or a year, then Silvio will be back.....

It's Italy, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

First of all, let's get one thing straight. Your Italy and our Italia are not the same thing. Italy is a soft drug peddled in predictable packages, such as hills in the sunset, olive groves, lemon trees, white wine, and raven-haired girls. Italia, on the other hand, is a maze. It's alluring, but complicated. It's the kind of place that can have you fuming and then purring in the space of a hundred meters, or in the course of ten minutes. Italy is the only workshop in the world that can turn out both Botticellis and Berlusconis.”
Beppe Severgnini, La Bella Figura: A Field Guide to the Italian Mind
 

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at the moment for the Senate it's

PD 29.5%
PDL 31%
M5S 25.1
Monti for Europe 9.6%
Civil Revuolution 1.8%
Fare 1%

according to the State TV
 
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Italy elections: an end to sleaze and cronyism? | World news | guardian.co.uk

Could M5S actually pull off an actual victory today!? Wow!

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I hope not. Grillo has riden the wave of discontent that there is here but where his party has been elected they have behaved in exactly the same way as other politics, ie, not giving a feck about the population and who voted them in and opening IGNORING all promises made in election time.

Grillo wasn't funny as a comic and is even less funnier as a "politican"
 

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