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Richard Bruton - The Mr Nice Guy of Irish politics


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The anti-Lisbon eurosceptic obession has demeaned this website for far too long.
By contrast, I am amazed that p.ie has passed over the best political profile of the politician of the year in today's IT.

The Mr Nice Guy of Irish politics - The Irish Times - Sat, Dec 06, 2008

Measured and mature even on something as sensitive as the strengths and weaknesses of Enda Kenny.
Shows that there is some hope for the future.

At one level, no one argues more persuasively for the retention of Enda Kenny as leader, with repeated reference to his success at "dramatically" broadening the party base. At another, there is no false modesty about his own role in this. "If you look back to where we were in 2002, we had to rebuild our economic credibility and that we have done - and I suppose I've been central to that". But where another pretender might stop right there, he carries on, with scrupulous fairness, to play up Enda's role: "There has been an element of strategy, a corporate approach that has been pursued . . . In ways that you don't see, he is a very good motivator".

THE DIFFICULTY IS those pesky polls . . . and even those devout Fine Gaelers who sense that Enda Kenny lacks the charisma/gravitas/ muscular image to heave that ball over the line. He wonders at people's notion of a "leader". "Everyone said of Brian Cowen 'isn't he the ideal Taoiseach, 'the man', 'the decision-maker who appeared to have an air of strength about him'. Well, they got it . . ." he says, with a cheerful shrug. "Enda is clearly in the chairman-not-the-chief style . . . He's a corporate-style leader; he involves everyone."

But if the floating voter remains unconvinced by him, what's the point? "I'm not saying that Enda is perfect in all his presentation of it . . . We have to work on the strength and perception of him. There is room for improvement . . . I think that people who see him on the small box for 30 seconds don't see the full picture of Enda Kenny. He has to get through an election campaign in a system that is increasingly presidential and you don't have to tell him that . . . And if you look at the big picture, what is the role of a leader?".

Tiochfaidh ar la.
 

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I would prefer Enda as Taoiseach to Bruton, because of the latter's support for allowing non-citizens here to vote in General Elections (because I feel it undermines citizenship - especially the point of it - and could lead to Irish people being forced down roads we don't want to go in referenda and elections). However it is hard not to admire the energy with which Richard Bruton has brought reform of the public-sector and the need to curb public-sector waste and rationalise agencies and end pointless duplication of resources to the center of political-debate. This has undoubtedly helped the party make inroads with former PD voters for whom that sort of thing matters. The question is -as always - whether Labour will tolerate the the implementation of these plans. Experience of the 1980's suggests not, but we shall see in time. But when Labour are criticising you, you know you're doing something right, and that is the case here too. Personally, I detect that the agenda of pushing RB in the media has less to do with a wish for him to become Taoiseach than it has to do with helping FF by stirring up divisions within FG. Are FF engaged in a whispering campaign in the press designed to foment such a result? :?
 

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I would prefer Enda as Taoiseach to Bruton, because of the latter's support for allowing non-citizens here to vote in General Elections (because I feel it undermines citizenship - especially the point of it - and could lead to Irish people being forced down roads we don't want to go in referenda and elections).
FT, Richard's proposals were to allow people who are working here legally and paying their taxes to have a voice in how their money is spent. I believe the proposal was that you had to be here for more than 3 years (or was it 5) continuously and working for all that time. People can already vote in the local elections this was purely for the general elections and there was no mention of referenda or the presidential elections from what I can recall.

What we really need is a proper legal concept of residency.
 

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FT, it is interesting to note your paranoid delusions are not confined to Europe. A FF conspiracy to cause divisions within FG by encouraging the promotion of Richard B in the press? I think not. Richard is head and shoulders ahead of his party colleagues, he gives the party credibility and FF would love to be rid of him (perhaps we should offer him the EU commissionership?)
 

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Would he take it though?
 

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I wouldn't if i was in his position and was on the verge of becoming the next finance minister in the next 3 years (it is hard to see how even labour could prevent him getting the job). Another plus for FF would be that they would stand a half decent chance of gaining his seat (44%). Hmmm.
 

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Would be smart of them to gamble on it but I don't see him taking it. Not with the chance of it being Harney who will need to be sent somewhere if, after the reshuffle, is removed from health. Off course, we all remember the last time an FF government sent an FGer to Brussels...
 

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FT, Richard's proposals were to allow people who are working here legally and paying their taxes to have a voice in how their money is spent. I believe the proposal was that you had to be here for more than 3 years (or was it 5) continuously and working for all that time. People can already vote in the local elections this was purely for the general elections and there was no mention of referenda or the presidential elections from what I can recall.

What we really need is a proper legal concept of residency.
Is it official FG party policy or just his personal opinion? Does Enda Kenny agree with it?
 

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Is it official FG party policy or just his personal opinion? Does Enda Kenny agree with it?
As I recall it was a piece of extemporaneous answer giving on his part during or before the election campaign. It might shock you to hear but people who are members of parties are allowed to answer questions that are put to them about matters that are not specifically covered in a party policy document, it's called having a brain of your own.

For example, FG doesn't have policy on what to do if aliens make first contact but that doesn't mean you won't find someone who would answer a question about the topic.
 

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FT, Richard's proposals were to allow people who are working here legally and paying their taxes to have a voice in how their money is spent. I believe the proposal was that you had to be here for more than 3 years (or was it 5) continuously and working for all that time. People can already vote in the local elections this was purely for the general elections and there was no mention of referenda or the presidential elections from what I can recall.

What we really need is a proper legal concept of residency.
What we need is to confine voting here to Irish Citizens (or those entitled to it) only!

As for RB after reading that profile I'm not surprised he's not the Leader of FG and I don't think he ever will be either.

Sure he's a fine mind and knows his onions on Economics - but I think he's found where his level is at and that's it.

I'd be a bit worried that someone who has led such a sheltered life (Belvedere+ Clongowes) then Uni would have what it takes to connect with your average Sean agus Siobhan.

He strikes me as being more of a Gingerbread Boy than a Breakfast Roll Man.
 

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What we need is to confine voting here to Irish Citizens (or those entitled to it) only!

As for RB after reading that profile I'm not surprised he's not the Leader of FG and I don't think he ever will be either.

Sure he's a fine mind and knows his onions on Economics - but I think he's found where his level is at and that's it.

I'd be a bit worried that someone who has led such a sheltered life (Belvedere+ Clongowes) then Uni would have what it takes to connect with your average Sean agus Siobhan.

He strikes me as being more of a Gingerbread Boy than a Breakfast Roll Man.
As an article in The SBP said yesterday:

"During the working week, he (Enda Kenny) is far more likely to be found eating his soup and sandwich in theDail’s self-service cafe with staff or colleagues than being wined and dined in local upmarket restaurants. Indeed, Richard Bruton, his deputy leader, is another regular patron of the Dail’s Lidl option. Ironically, the country’s most acclaimed man of the people, Bertie Ahern, rarely slummed it in the self-service."

Just because someone comes from an upper class background does not mean that they can not mix well with working class people. You haven't been listening to the Trots have you???
 

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As an article in The SBP said yesterday:

"During the working week, he (Enda Kenny) is far more likely to be found eating his soup and sandwich in theDail’s self-service cafe with staff or colleagues than being wined and dined in local upmarket restaurants. Indeed, Richard Bruton, his deputy leader, is another regular patron of the Dail’s Lidl option. Ironically, the country’s most acclaimed man of the people, Bertie Ahern, rarely slummed it in the self-service."

Just because someone comes from an upper class background does not mean that they can not mix well with working class people. You haven't been listening to the Trots have you???
Nope - but I've known more than my fair share of folks who went to those schools and others like them to know the mindsets they produce.

I seriously doubt RB knows or socialises with any working class people in his private life.

He is just another member of the Elite who has made a profession out of Politics.
 

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Nope - but I've known more than my fair share of folks who went to those schools and others like them to know the mindsets they produce.

I seriously doubt RB knows or socialises with any working class people in his private life.

He is just another member of the Elite who has made a profession out of Politics.
I openly admit that from my experience Fine Gael in Dublin are (mostly) a party of the professional class and that we need and should have more working class members and even more voters. However Richard Bruton is one of many of our TD's in Dublin who gets a lot of votes from working class people (I admit that a couple probably wouldn't) as he is a very nice, personable guy.

A leading FF member in Dublin West (although not a politician) actually said to me last year that Richard and John Bruton's family were on the British side during the Anglo-Irish War. Can someone just confirm to me whether or not this is true or not? I expect in the event of Richard down the road becoming leader of FG that a lot of FF members will (probably systematically) discredit him personally saying this and that he is generally out of touch because of his general background.

BTW Brian Lenihan went to Cambridge.
 

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I openly admit that from my experience Fine Gael in Dublin are (mostly) a party of the professional class and that we need and should have more working class members and even more voters. However Richard Bruton is one of many of our TD's in Dublin who gets a lot of votes from working class people (I admit that a couple probably wouldn't) as he is a very nice, personable guy.

A leading FF member in Dublin West (although not a politician) actually said to me last year that Richard and John Bruton's family were on the British side during the Anglo-Irish War. Can someone just confirm to me whether or not this is true or not? I expect in the event of Richard down the road becoming leader of FG that a lot of FF members will (probably systematically) discredit him personally saying this and that he is generally out of touch because of his general background.

BTW Brian Lenihan went to Cambridge.

Like both the establishment parties FG have a strange and contradictory support base. Everything from the corporations to the small farmer in the west of Ireland. Reasons for support of FG are often on cultural grounds than anything to do with class ie law and order, social conservative, fear of the left, general backwardness etc etc To say it is the professional class class party is ridiculous. Go and meet their grassroots in Mayo and you'll find out what I mean.
 

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A leading FF member in Dublin West (although not a politician) actually said to me last year that Richard and John Bruton's family were on the British side during the Anglo-Irish War. Can someone just confirm to me whether or not this is true or not?
:roll: No. It isn't. Did the fact that "a leading FF member" said it to you not set the alarm bells off in your head?
 

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Bruton is too short to be elected a leader. Only the short men that are angry get elected boss. Maybe Enda could be persuaded to become "unwell" and allow Richard step in without an election.
 
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Richard Bruton,brother of Bilderberger John...if anyone's in the know it's him,but you can be sure who's policies he will push,his great banking buddies.
 

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Fine Gael are blessed or cursed to have two nice guys at the top. Enda and Richard are genuine decent guys who don´t go in for the back stabbing nasty side of politics the recent Bertie series demonstrated.

But they have very different strengths. Enda is affable, loves working a room, talking ******************** to non entities. Richard likes thinking big thoughts about big issues.

If FG could ever get the two to combine their talents seamlessly they´d be unbeatable. We saw signs of it inthe recent banking crisis but FG needs to do the Enda Richard show all the time. Leave the nasty stuff to Reilly, Hayes and Varadkar.
 

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:roll: No. It isn't. Did the fact that "a leading FF member" said it to you not set the alarm bells off in your head?
Of course. I never said I believed it not that I would see anything wrong with it given how long ago that was and that I know both of them are proud Irishmen anyway. I just wanted it confirmed. It is another illustrative example of how despicable many FF members can be.
 
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