Ring: FG to oppose Social Welfare Bill

Aindriu

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Fine Gael will oppose the Social Welfare Bill this evening unless the Government agrees to reverse the "cruel" social welfare cuts for blind people, widows, carers and people with disabilities, according to Michael Ring.

Mr Ring will table the amendments to reverse the cuts this evening.

Mr Ring said: "For the second year in a row, the Government has decided to punish the most vulnerable members of society.

"Last year Brian Lenihan and Eamon Ó Cuív imposed unfair and cruel cuts on blind people, widows, carers and people with disabilities. But that wasn’t enough for them. This year they did the same again.
Read the full article here.

Personally I feel they haven't a hope of getting renegade Fianna FAILures to vote against the party, but credos to them for trying.
 


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You got to love the effort of these guys.........where do they hope to make up for the cuts they are talking about reversing?
 

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You got to love the effort of these guys.........where do they hope to make up for the cuts they are talking about reversing?
Croke Park Agreement and the Quango industry, billioons in savings there.
 

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Foreign aid is another good place to start.
 

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You got to love the effort of these guys.........where do they hope to make up for the cuts they are talking about reversing?
If you were watching the live prime time debate between Noonan and Lenihan, the particular cuts they want to reverse will cost just 90m, in the grand scheme of things 90m isnt a lot. People on Carers allowance and getting cut is rediculous. I dont have numbers but paying carers allowance compared to the cost of putting the people in some sort of home is saving an awful lot of money to the state.
 

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Croke Park Agreement and the Quango industry, billioons in savings there.
Agreed they should have taken €5 billion off the public sector pay bill through pay cuts and massive redundancies and then €1 billion in next years budget. At least €3 billion could have been taken off the quangos.
 

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You got to love the effort of these guys.........where do they hope to make up for the cuts they are talking about reversing?
So out of a cut of 6 billion are you suggesting that there is not room to find 90 million without cutting those on disability allowance, carers allowance or a blind persons pension?

A couple of quid off public service pay would have it for you in the morning.
 

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Foreign aid is another good place to start.
The fact that we still give foreign aid when we are recieving international loans from the EU/IMF has to be the biggest oxymoron there is.

I'm sure this won't get through but it's another reminder of the schooling Lenihan got in the Prime Time interview off Noonan last night. Since FG have made this an issue, you'd expect them to reverse it when they form the next government, no? Hands up anybody if you can see this happening.
 
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Notice how FG keep mentioning the welfare budget but fail to mention the unemployment payments and child benefits.

They seem to forget these payments are essential to people also.
 

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Don't FG want to reduce jobseekers benefit to €178 by 2014? Wasn't that proposal in their pre budget submission. Ring is talking through his arse pretending he is opposed to cuts in the carers allowance etc.
 

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Yesterday during Michael Noonan's speech he criticized the Government for reducing the Home Carers Credit by €100. This is a credit given to couples where one spouse does not have any income (or a reduced amount for small second incomes). It really has nothing to do with Carers Allowance. This credit, if left, should be restricted to the income of the second earner or total cumulative earnings.

If you earn €30k and your spouse earns €10k, you are not entitled to this credit, but if you earn €100k and your spouse earns nothing, you are entitled to it. The credit is given if you have children or have a relative living within 2 miles from your home.
 

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I'm sure this won't get through but it's another reminder of the schooling Lenihan got in the Prime Time interview off Noonan last night. Since FG have made this an issue, you'd expect them to reverse it when they form the next government, no? Hands up anybody if you can see this happening.
Of course it will happen. There are 6 billion of cuts happening and FG will certainly be able to row back on 90 million. The question is whether this is then claimed as some sort of victory.
 

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noonan was saying today that we might need an extra budget early next year

was on independent.ie
 

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Re the petty, snivelling cruelty of some of these cuts did anyone hear the item on Liveline about how some blind people will have to get rid of guide dogs because they can no longer afford to feed them?

Talk about miserable!
 

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Re the petty, snivelling cruelty of some of these cuts did anyone hear the item on Liveline about how some blind people will have to get rid of guide dogs because they can no longer afford to feed them?

Talk about miserable!
Yeah, I heard the tail end of that, something about the dogs having to be fed on special food. The only reason the OAP was not touched was because of the pressure from their own TD's.
 

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Read the full article here.

Personally I feel they haven't a hope of getting renegade Fianna FAILures to vote against the party, but credos to them for trying.

"Ring: FG to oppose Social Welfare Bill "
Pure political posturing bull. If there's the slightest risk of the Budget failing a vote, the likes of Lucinda Creighton of Fine Gael will abstain to make sure it passes.
 

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The fact that we still give foreign aid when we are recieving international loans from the EU/IMF has to be the biggest oxymoron there is.

I'm sure this won't get through but it's another reminder of the schooling Lenihan got in the Prime Time interview off Noonan last night. Since FG have made this an issue, you'd expect them to reverse it when they form the next government, no? Hands up anybody if you can see this happening.
Well, that Foreign Aid is for the poorest of the poor.
Maybe we should put in our spoke for some of that Foreign Aid money?
 


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