Rise of a new ethnic group?

Reasunach

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'Don't let us die': Homeless men's fears as makeshift camp on south Dublin green grows

I don't mean to be patronising but having been taught in school that Travellers had their origins in homeless people who traveled from town to town in search of work and set up camp, hence the monikers "itinerant workers" and "tinkers" (who worked with scrap metal) I wonder if this new group who have set up camp are the start of a new movement? Will they be looking for compensation to be moved? Should Pavee Point be informed?

Don't get me wrong, we all deserve a secure roof over our head, but there are some, like the late unfortunate Jonathan Corrie who would be willing to forgo that many times over to feed whatever addiction afflicts them. They won't go hungry with so many charities and pop-up student soup runs willing to feed them, but we are simply applying a band-aid to a deeper problem. (Apologies for the poor pun Sir Bob)
 


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where are those coming to work from abroad supposed to live? surely we should limit the numbers now coming here until we're back on our feet with housing, rent etc?
 

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where are those coming to work from abroad supposed to live? surely we should limit the numbers now coming here until we're back on our feet with housing, rent etc?
If only it were that simple. Those coming here to work are not (hopefully) looking to play the system, but rather pay their way. Our unemployment rate is under 8%, close to what is considered full employment when you take the permanently disabled and other reasons not to work outside the home into consideration. Europe doesn't allow people to just "drift" to where the benefits are better, but no system is perfect.
 

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Europe doesn't allow people to just "drift" to where the benefits are better, but no system is perfect.
you've not been down the local dole office recently ? Its full of longterm unemployed 'new irish' men who are obviously here because Irish dole is way way higher than in their home country. Add to their income a few nixers for daft irish eejits who are stupid enough to pay them to mow the lawn and there is a nice income, a nice lifestyle, a nice opportunity to shut somebody else out of the housing market and maybe have a kid or two with a nice local girl.

You wouldn't even mind if there were only two or three of such cases. When it becomes 100,000 then Irish society has a nasty wake up call. The death of an ancient ethnic group, and its replacement with the same multi-culti stuff that has already taken over France/UK/Holland/Sweden etc etc.

Cut the dole and cut the rot.
 
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not many are coming back here to work amoungst their reasons are
brexit
car insurance
house insurance
the cost of food and services
house prices
rental costs
non contract jobs
most jobs min wage
i am sure a few more could be added on is i scrached the auld nopper
 

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not many are coming back here to work amoungst their reasons are
brexit
car insurance
house insurance
the cost of food and services
house prices
rental costs
non contract jobs
most jobs min wage
i am sure a few more could be added on is i scrached the auld nopper
Brexit ? if the Brits build a wall, then ireland will get flooded by newcomers. They will fill all our ghost estates and derelict villages and all on the dole. Been to Longford recently ?
 
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you've not been down the local dole office recently ? Its full of longterm unemployed 'new irish' men who are obviously here because Irish dole is way way higher than in their home country. Add to their income a few nixers for daft irish eejits who are stupid enough to pay them to mow the lawn and there is a nice income, a nice lifestyle, a nice opportunity to shut somebody else out of the housing market and maybe have a kid or two with a nice local girl.

You wouldn't even mind if there were only two or three of such cases. When it becomes 100,000 then Irish society has a nasty wake up call. The death of an ancient ethnic group, and its replacement with the same multi-culti stuff that has already taken over France/UK/Holland/Sweden etc etc.

Cut the dole and cut the rot.
If you don't want to see them in the dole office go get yourself a job.
 

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If only it were that simple. Those coming here to work are not (hopefully) looking to play the system, but rather pay their way. Our unemployment rate is under 8%, close to what is considered full employment when you take the permanently disabled and other reasons not to work outside the home into consideration. Europe doesn't allow people to just "drift" to where the benefits are better, but no system is perfect.
Europe doesnt allow people to just drift where the benefits are better?
It does exactly that.
 

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I don't mean to be patronising but. . .

Don't get me wrong. . .
These two half-sentences tell you all you need to know about the value of this OP.
 

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Europe doesn't allow people to just "drift" to where the benefits are better, but no system is perfect.
do you see an immigration tsunami into countries with low wages and low benefits ? nope, didnt think so.
 
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do you see an immigration tsunami into countries with low wages and low benefits ? nope, didnt think so.
That's where you are 100% incorrect. Many countries have immigration crises which see hundreds of thousands of people cross borders to seek refuge.

Ever been in a refugee camp? Nope, didn't think so.
 

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That's where you are 100% incorrect. Many countries have immigration crises which see hundreds of thousands of people cross borders to seek refuge.

Ever been in a refugee camp? Nope, didn't think so.
Yes, Spain, Croatia and Italy etc have a crisis. Most of the aliens there however are simply waiting to get their papers and move on to their final destination..
These are just staging posts on their journey
 

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Yes, Spain, Croatia and Italy etc have a crisis. Most of the aliens there however are simply waiting to get their papers and move on to their final destination..
These are just staging posts on their journey
Aliens? Maybe they'll fly off when their space ship is fixed.
 

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Europe doesnt allow people to just drift where the benefits are better?
It does exactly that.
You can't just arive and sign on. You have to build up rights by living and working in a country first.
And by living, I mean officially living in a country - when you go to sign on, you'll be asked for proof and will have to provide official docs, a PPS no, proof of how long you've worked in the country and so on.
If you can't do that you'll get nothing.

We're not talking about Paddies going over to England and signing on - that's a special case, where the Brits have laws saying they don't recognise us as foreigners.
 
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Yes, Spain, Croatia and Italy etc have a crisis. Most of the aliens there however are simply waiting to get their papers and move on to their final destination..
These are just staging posts on their journey
Such ignorance. Just over 80% of refugees are located in the African continent.

Uganda alone hosts 740,000.
 

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do you see an immigration tsunami into countries with low wages and low benefits ? nope, didnt think so.
You mean people immigrate to countries where they are likely to find jobs, and show a preference for countries where their earning potential can be maximised? That's how movement works both within and between countries.
 


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