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Rockall Island and Irish Sovereignty


Conuil

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On August 6th 1976;

The Irish Government 'claimed' jurisdiction over a 200-mile area of the continental shelf, including Rockall.

I imagine the above issue has yet to be settled?
 

setanta

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Rockall, Rockall you'll never fall ...



Ireland and the UK's ratification of the UN Law of the Sea pretty much rules out issues of sovereignty for uninhabited rocks. You might say that the issue has been "blown out of the water" - please excuse the dreadful pun!

Following Wiki entry sets the details out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockall

The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea states, “Rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf.” The Republic of Ireland, Denmark, and Iceland all acceded to the convention. The United Kingdom acceded to the convention on 25 July 1997. The United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland have agreed to a delineation which ignores Rockall's existence and have granted exploration rights.

The Republic of Ireland does not have formal claim to Rockall, regarding it as merely an uninhabitable rock without any territorial waters and thus irrelevant when determining the boundaries of the exclusive economic zones of Denmark, the Republic of Ireland, Iceland, and the United Kingdom. More populist claims to the island are based, in part, on the fact that Rockall is 424 kilometres (265 miles) from Donegal in the Republic of Ireland.

According to a Written Parliamentary Answer from the Irish Minister of Foreign Affairs on June 14, 1990, an agreement was reached between the British and Irish governments on delimitation of the continental shelf between the two countries and that this included a line of delimitation across the Rockall Plateau. As a result, a very extensive area under Irish jurisdiction, including part of the Rockall Trough and Plateau, is undisputed by the United Kingdom. No further negotiations were taking place in relation to the rock at the time.

More recently, on June 11, 2003, the Irish Minister for Communications, Marine and Natural Resources gave a Written Parliamentary Answer, stating: "Ireland claims an extended continental shelf … up to more than 500 nautical miles (926 km), particularly in the Hatton–Rockall area".


Trust that helps/explains!
 

setanta

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School holidays I see ...
 

st333ve

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Its a rock :?

A glorious rock?

I wouldnt think so.

http://www.politics.ie/viewtopic.php?t=23607&start=0

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FutureTaoiseach

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It should belong to us on the basis that Donegal is the nearest county on the island to Rockall, and that Ireland is closer than Great Britain to it. The Brits effectively are occupying it. Claiming it as part of Inverness was ludicrous they just wanted the oil. Anyway I believe we are entitled under international-law to a share in that oil. The govt should take this to the International Court of Justice or the ECJ.
 

setanta

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FutureTaoiseach said:
It should belong to us on the basis that Donegal is the nearest county on the island to Rockall, and that Ireland is closer than Great Britain to it. The Brits effectively are occupying it. Claiming it as part of Inverness was ludicrous they just wanted the oil. Anyway I believe we are entitled under international-law to a share in that oil. The govt should take this to the International Court of Justice or the ECJ.
You haven't read my earlier post, FT, have you? Ownership of a barren, uninhabited rock confers absolutely no sovereign rights to seabed exploration or mineral extraction, fishing rights, or any other economic rights whatsoever. The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea to which both Ireland and Britain are signatories rules this sort of sh1te out of court altogether.
 

Conuil

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setanta said:
Rockall, Rockall you'll never fall ...



Ireland and the UK's ratification of the UN Law of the Sea pretty much rules out issues of sovereignty for uninhabited rocks. You might say that the issue has been "blown out of the water" - please excuse the dreadful pun!

Following Wiki entry sets the details out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockall

The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea states, “Rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf.” The Republic of Ireland, Denmark, and Iceland all acceded to the convention. The United Kingdom acceded to the convention on 25 July 1997. The United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland have agreed to a delineation which ignores Rockall's existence and have granted exploration rights.

The Republic of Ireland does not have formal claim to Rockall, regarding it as merely an uninhabitable rock without any territorial waters and thus irrelevant when determining the boundaries of the exclusive economic zones of Denmark, the Republic of Ireland, Iceland, and the United Kingdom. More populist claims to the island are based, in part, on the fact that Rockall is 424 kilometres (265 miles) from Donegal in the Republic of Ireland.

According to a Written Parliamentary Answer from the Irish Minister of Foreign Affairs on June 14, 1990, an agreement was reached between the British and Irish governments on delimitation of the continental shelf between the two countries and that this included a line of delimitation across the Rockall Plateau. As a result, a very extensive area under Irish jurisdiction, including part of the Rockall Trough and Plateau, is undisputed by the United Kingdom. No further negotiations were taking place in relation to the rock at the time.

More recently, on June 11, 2003, the Irish Minister for Communications, Marine and Natural Resources gave a Written Parliamentary Answer, stating: "Ireland claims an extended continental shelf … up to more than 500 nautical miles (926 km), particularly in the Hatton–Rockall area".


Trust that helps/explains!
Yeah thanks a chara,

It does help to explain a lot....

I appreciate your time ;)
 

johnfás

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FutureTaoiseach said:
It should belong to us on the basis that Donegal is the nearest county on the island to Rockall, and that Ireland is closer than Great Britain to it. The Brits effectively are occupying it. Claiming it as part of Inverness was ludicrous they just wanted the oil. Anyway I believe we are entitled under international-law to a share in that oil. The govt should take this to the International Court of Justice or the ECJ.
The Brits are "effectively occupying it"??? How, by sending british seagulls as planters? Come off it, what a ridiculous statement. It's a bloody rock for goodness sake.
 

Riadach

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Well apparently it's closer to st. kilda hence britains claim.
 

jerryp

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Someone told me that there was a discussion in that tent in Galway last week about how you'd go about getting planning permission for apartments on it and having it designated as a Gaeltacht area with all the grants that go with it, etc.
 

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johnfás said:
FutureTaoiseach said:
It should belong to us on the basis that Donegal is the nearest county on the island to Rockall, and that Ireland is closer than Great Britain to it. The Brits effectively are occupying it. Claiming it as part of Inverness was ludicrous they just wanted the oil. Anyway I believe we are entitled under international-law to a share in that oil. The govt should take this to the International Court of Justice or the ECJ.
The Brits are "effectively occupying it"??? How, by sending british seagulls as planters? Come off it, what a ridiculous statement. It's a bloody rock for goodness sake.

That might be so - but even you must admit that it is par for the course. They are doing what they have always done. And sod anyone else.
 

johnfás

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joel said:
johnfás said:
FutureTaoiseach said:
It should belong to us on the basis that Donegal is the nearest county on the island to Rockall, and that Ireland is closer than Great Britain to it. The Brits effectively are occupying it. Claiming it as part of Inverness was ludicrous they just wanted the oil. Anyway I believe we are entitled under international-law to a share in that oil. The govt should take this to the International Court of Justice or the ECJ.
The Brits are "effectively occupying it"??? How, by sending british seagulls as planters? Come off it, what a ridiculous statement. It's a bloody rock for goodness sake.

That might be so - but even you must admit that it is par for the course. They are doing what they have always done. And sod anyone else.
And sod anyone else indeed, the local seagulls don't look too happy about it do they? Maybe you could send them over a cache of seagull standard munitions to fend off the evil conquerors.
 

joel

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johnfás said:
joel said:
[quote="johnfás":2l47r3tw]
FutureTaoiseach said:
It should belong to us on the basis that Donegal is the nearest county on the island to Rockall, and that Ireland is closer than Great Britain to it. The Brits effectively are occupying it. Claiming it as part of Inverness was ludicrous they just wanted the oil. Anyway I believe we are entitled under international-law to a share in that oil. The govt should take this to the International Court of Justice or the ECJ.
The Brits are "effectively occupying it"??? How, by sending british seagulls as planters? Come off it, what a ridiculous statement. It's a bloody rock for goodness sake.

That might be so - but even you must admit that it is par for the course. They are doing what they have always done. And sod anyone else.
And sod anyone else indeed, the local seagulls don't look too happy about it do they? Maybe you could send them over a cache of seagull standard munitions to fend off the evil conquerors.[/quote:2l47r3tw]


Violence, eh - are you British by any chance?
 

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joel said:
johnfás said:
And sod anyone else indeed, the local seagulls don't look too happy about it do they? Maybe you could send them over a cache of seagull standard munitions to fend off the evil conquerors.
Violence, eh - are you British by any chance?
I am delighted to see from the quality of your posts that the magnificent tradition of irony displayed in the writings of Swift and Wilde is still echoes in the posts of contemporary Irishmen and women.
 

joel

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joel said:
johnfás said:
FutureTaoiseach said:
It should belong to us on the basis that Donegal is the nearest county on the island to Rockall, and that Ireland is closer than Great Britain to it. The Brits effectively are occupying it. Claiming it as part of Inverness was ludicrous they just wanted the oil. Anyway I believe we are entitled under international-law to a share in that oil. The govt should take this to the International Court of Justice or the ECJ.
The Brits are "effectively occupying it"??? How, by sending british seagulls as planters? Come off it, what a ridiculous statement. It's a bloody rock for goodness sake.

I actually thought about Rockall when the news came in about Russia claiming the North Pole! Britain isn't going to like that! Doubt they'll take Russia on though.

That might be so - but even you must admit that it is par for the course. They are doing what they have always done. And sod anyone else.
 
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