ROI Overseas Development 2011-2014

Éireann go Brách

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ROI Overseas Development 2011-2014

Minister refuses to rule out further cuts to aid budget - The Irish Times - Tue, Sep 07, 2010

Mr Power said he could not predict whether the overseas aid budget, which stands at €671 million for 2010, will be subject to further pruning.
Irelands Overseas Development Aid package in 2010 was 671 million
My understanding is the tax take in 2010 was 33 billion
So 0.671/33 = 2% of the tax money was sent overseas in 2011
I understand that the target for overseas aid in Ireland and the developed world is 0.7%(actual is less) of GDP but in times of defiect and expanding National debt surely this target is erroneous and gives a false picture of what we are spending as a ratio to the National wealth.

I believe that wealthy countries should contribute to the Poorer countries
with strings attached(human rights et all) especially in terms of disaster relief.
However I think with the ROI current cash flow problems, AID in the short term should be drastically cutback.

I notice that England ringfenced spending on AID and health
without a wimper from the public as far as I can see.
Can anyone shine more light on this?
Why no cuts in overseas aid at all?
Is it imperial guilt or does England see its overseas aid package as helping
Strategic and industrial aims(weapons sales etc).

My question is,
Should in the short term the ROI cut its overseas AID bill
until the state's finances have stablised.

Discuss?

Irish Aid - Homepage -
 


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At the present taxpayers are not paying anything for overseas aid
It is our kids, who are paying for high morale of hypocrites from charity businesses

So, I would put question other way – should we let our kids make mistake or as good parents we will be strong enough to say no for subsidizing dictatorship regimes in Africa by charity beggars
 

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overseas aid package as helping
Strategic and industrial aims
And of course unlike the Brits we don't have such things, we just give away money to despots out of the kindness of our hearts, and ask nothing in return. Butter wouldn't melt in our mouths sure.
 

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We need to cut our aid down to what we give to the UN bodies as part of our UN commitments. We cannot fund any other programmes through the next decade.
 

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We need to cut our aid down to what we give to the UN bodies as part of our UN commitments. We cannot fund any other programmes through the next decade.
+1
we should cease overseas aid untill such time as we get our own house in order.
i read somewhere that housing asylum seekers has cost us in the region of 4billion since 2001,i dont have a link but ill try to find one.
671 million in overseas aid is way too much while we have the spectre of the imf looming over us.

charity begins at home.

it also beggars belief that we have borrowed money to lend to greece,that madness also needs to stop
 

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We need to cut our aid down to what we give to the UN bodies as part of our UN commitments. We cannot fund any other programmes through the next decade.


I wonder how much that costs.
 

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And of course unlike the Brits we don't have such things, we just give away money to despots out of the kindness of our hearts, and ask nothing in return. Butter wouldn't melt in our mouths sure.
Never said we did not
but I think the UK's is greater for example their defence and avaition industry


Here's an irish example of AID being used in lets say for want of libel
a funny way :lol:
http://www.politics.ie/foreign-affairs/135015-fianna-fail-tullow-oil-uganda.html

Michael Martin goes to Uganda
Michael Martin meets with Tullow oil while there(an Uk-irish oil company)
Michael Martin announe 44 million a year aid for Uganda
Tullow Oil announce oil deal in Uganda
Two Fianna fail TDs are shareholders in Tullow Oil. Seamus Kirk and Sean Ardagh.(see post 151 p16 on link)
What else don't we know about what went on here?

emmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 

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Here's an irish example of AID being used in lets say for want of libel
a funny way :lol:
Well spotted, that's very interesting. Overseas Aid is just a slush fund that's been given an Orwellian name IMO. It's effect is actually the opposite of Aid. When people argue to cut back aid it's usually because they're under the impression that aid is for helping others, clearly, and indeed from this example you've found, it's all about helping ourselves. Some of us more than others apparently!
 

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on balance and to be fair I believe that our oversea aid schemes have been positive.......HOWEVER.....

the time has come to suspend the aid now......

cut it back to 50 million to keep things 'ticking over' and look again in 5 years time........

The time has come for brave and fair politics in this great little country of ours...
 

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Joanna Tuffy (Dublin Mid West, Labour)
To ask the Minister for Foreign Affairs the amount of money given by Irish Aid to all Irish non-governmental organisations for the years 2008 and 2009; the predicted amount for 2010, in tabular form; and if he will make a statement on the matter

Ministers response
Overseas Development Aid: 18 May 2010: Written answers (KildareStreet.com)
WTF has, among a steaming pile of others, Ballyfermot Travellers Action, got to do with ODA?
 

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It is hard to address this issue without sounding holier than thou.
However, this clamour to reduce aid is simply wrong.
I don't have a problem with anyone making the argument so long as they would be prepared to go to one of the many mothers, whose children are being fed courtesy of an irish aid project, and tell her that unfortunatley due to the state of our economy we can't help anymore.
If you could do this then fair enough but I suspect that it would silence quite a few.
 

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Irelands Overseas Development Aid package in 2010 was 671 million
My understanding is the tax take in 2010 was 33 billion
So 0.671/33 = 2% of the tax money was sent overseas in 2011
I understand that the target for overseas aid in Ireland and the developed world is 0.7%(actual is less) of GDP but in times of defiect and expanding National debt surely this target is erroneous and gives a false picture of what we are spending as a ratio to the National wealth.

I believe that wealthy countries should contribute to the Poorer countries
with strings attached(human rights et all) especially in terms of disaster relief.
However I think with the ROI current cash flow problems, AID in the short term should be drastically cutback.

I notice that England ringfenced spending on AID and health
without a wimper from the public as far as I can see.
Can anyone shine more light on this?
Why no cuts in overseas aid at all?
Is it imperial guilt or does England see its overseas aid package as helping
Strategic and industrial aims(weapons sales etc).

My question is,
Should in the short term the ROI cut its overseas AID bill
until the state's finances have stablised.

Discuss?

Irish Aid - Homepage -


Good thread and well worth discussing!
I'll start by fessing up that I'm generally pro-overseas aid. But I get that budget decisions need to be made on merit at this stage.

But the usual ott reactions really bother me - and they def arent based on merit.

1 - everyone is corrupt in the developing world and we shouldnt support corruption.
There is corruption in EVERY country - just take a look at the thread list! Corruption isnt reduced by isolating countries - when there is no one looking the powerful are more likely to rob all around them. Cutting aid has the biggest impact on the poorest people.

2 - we cant afford it so we should just ignore the aid commitments we made.
Despite our financial woes you and I (yes you and I) are remarkably well-off. We are not hungry. We have a place to sleep. Our children go to school. If we get sick we have access to health care. And before anyone starts on HSE this, school fees that - seriously, stop and think about it.

3 - its not our problem
Well thats a matter of perspective. But its hard to believe that you are I are intrinsically more worthy of a good life that someone born in another part of the world.

I get that hard decisions need to be made. But I think it is time to discuss this on merit rather than the usual cliches.
 

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2 - we cant afford it so we should just ignore the aid commitments we made.
Despite our financial woes you and I (yes you and I) are remarkably well-off. We are not hungry. We have a place to sleep. Our children go to school. If we get sick we have access to health care. And before anyone starts on HSE this, school fees that - seriously, stop and think about it.
Do you mean that we should continue to waste our kids money in order to achieve third world living standards?
 

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Do you mean that we should continue to waste our kids money in order to achieve third world living standards?
I think well-spent aid is not a waste. We spend our time teaching kids about sharing and fairness and then we ignore those lessons ourselves.
 

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I think well-spent aid is not a waste. We spend our time teaching kids about sharing and fairness and then we ignore those lessons ourselves.
Are you sure that kids will not learn this lesson opposite way, that it is hypocrisy to spend other people money in order to maintain high morale for some members of society, instead of concentrating on earning of money, which later can be spend for overseas aid as well.
If our kids will be so reckless as us, then Ireland doesn't have any future.
 

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Are you sure that kids will not learn this lesson opposite way, that it is hypocrisy to spend other people money in order to maintain high morale for some members of society, instead of concentrating on earning of money, which later can be spend for overseas aid as well.
If our kids will be so reckless as us, then Ireland doesn't have any future.
You are only looking at this from a single perspective - as if the impact of allocating money to the developing world impacts on us and us alone. Its not a matter of high morale here - overseas aid feeds people, houses them, educates them, gives them access to better health facilities.
Ireland does have a future - just not a future resembling our recent past.
 

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You are only looking at this from a single perspective - as if the impact of allocating money to the developing world impacts on us and us alone. Its not a matter of high morale here - overseas aid feeds people, houses them, educates them, gives them access to better health facilities.
And as result people will become more dependent from aid, because aid will stop natural mechanisms of regulating population, huge fertility will not be compensated by low standards of health system, and finally as soon as aid will stop or reduced, it will bring more bloody civil wars to Africa
It is like reckless lending by subprime lenders to people, who cannot afford mortgages
 


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