Rotating Ministerial jobs

Lúidín

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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/independent-alliance-may-hold-vote-to-settle-members-dispute-1.3464969

The upcoming fight between Boxer Moran and Seán Canney for the coveted title of Minister of State for the Office of Public Works has the potential to bring down the Government. No bad thing in itself but the contest exposes a flaw in our parliamentary democracy.

We have long gone past believing that a Ministership was for someone of conviction and distinction who would manage an important arm of government in the best interests of the citizens and the republic. It is clearly just a way of apportioning out the gravy.

Wouldn't it be much better if all Ministerial appointments were on a zero-hours-contract basis, such as thousands of workers in the economy are obliged to sign? In this way everyone on the train would get some gravy and there would be a lot less nonsense talked, a lot fewer press releases and a lot less photo-op announcements.
 


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Surely far better to have public accountability and televised reports of the senior civil servants and heads of all the "semi"-state bodies. After all these people are in the job until their tax payer funded retirement, and the public has no idea what they look like.
 

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The Greens were hammered for suggesting a rotation. Why has it become acceptable?
 

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The Greens were hammered for suggesting a rotation. Why has it become acceptable?
Who stated that it had become acceptable?
 

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Bit of a joke really. All it does is prove that we don't need more than about 4 junior ministers. The rest are no more than sweeteners for party faithful.
 

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Canney should stick to his original job.He is a trumped up gombeen , greedy with his hands in too many pies.He is doomed to go the same as our past local gombeen Paddy McHugh ,
a one-term hit wonder! Why do people involved in Education always have to try Politics
it is not a God given right but why are they all so delusional?
 

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FFG do it all the time.

Does The ISIS Times express concern, every time ?
 

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We should do what many other parliamentary systems do if you join the government then you must resign your seat in the legislator. Enforces the principle of separations of power, legislator more free to hold executive to account and you wouldn't get this kind of carry on if an independent thought they might have to give up and potentially loose their seat.
 

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The coalition Government was on a knife edge today as senior Fianna Fail and Green representatives clashed over Taoiseach Brian Cowen's botched Cabinet reshuffle.

Trevor Sargent, a former Green junior minister, claimed the Taoiseach was told that a plan to parachute in six new ministers after late-night resignations would "go down like a lead balloon".

The Dublin North TD claimed communications minister Eamon Ryan, who joins the Taoiseach in Armagh today for a north-south ministerial council meeting, warned Mr Cowen a reshuffle so close to an election would be seen as a political stroke.

"It was very, very strongly stated that this was not a good idea, (that) it was a mistake. And later on, if it did go to a vote, we said we could not support it," Mr Sargent said.

"You can't get much clearer than that."

Government chief whip John Curran argued that the Taoiseach had not been told that the Greens would not support new appointments if it came to a vote.

"Yes the Green Party did indicate that there were issues of perception that they were uncomfortable with," Mr Curran said.

"But at no time did they say they would not support it. They gave no indication they would not vote for it."

The coalition was on the brink of collapse yesterday after four resignations late on Wednesday and a fifth on Thursday morning.

After an hour of disarray and chaos in the Dail, business had to be suspended for two hours until Mr Cowen was compelled to make a statement to restore order.

The Cabinet positions were left empty after Mary Harney quit health, Dermot Ahern justice, Tony Killeen defence and Noel Dempsey transport. Batt O'Keeffe then quit enterprise.

Mr Cowen had already taken charge of foreign affairs after rebel TD Micheal Martin failed in a challenge to the Fianna Fail leadership.

Green leader John Gormley claimed yesterday he learnt of the resignations from his wife and on the news.

The portfolios were reassigned with Tanaiste Mary Coughlan, already in charge of education, given health, agriculture minister Brendan Smith given justice, social protection minister Eamon O Cuiv given the defence brief, and Pat Carey, minister for Gaeltacht, community and rural affairs handed transport.

Tourism minister Mary Hanafin, who claimed she warned the Taoiseach not to try a reshuffle so close to an election, was given enterprise.

The general election will be held on March 11.

The Labour Party is to decide today whether to press ahead with a motion of no confidence in the Government next week.



The FAIL years.
 

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The Cough was also Tanaiste.

Wasn`t BIFFFFFO meant to be the sharpest tool in the FAIL box :)
 

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Surely far better to have public accountability and televised reports of the senior civil servants and heads of all the "semi"-state bodies. After all these people are in the job until their tax payer funded retirement, and the public has no idea what they look like.
You could at least educate yourself

https://whodoeswhat.gov.ie
 

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FFG do it all the time.

Does The ISIS Times express concern, every time ?
have/planned for people to be ministers for only a year? Im sure it has happened but how often?
 
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We should do what many other parliamentary systems do if you join the government then you must resign your seat in the legislator. Enforces the principle of separations of power, legislator more free to hold executive to account and you wouldn't get this kind of carry on if an independent thought they might have to give up and potentially loose their seat.
I agree with that.

You could easily have a situation where a Head of Government is elected either directly by the public, or by the Dail as now, but who is not a member of the Oireachtas, and can appoint X number of ministers, none of whom can be members of the Oireachtas - though on appointment I think it would make sense that they would sit ex-officio in the Dail to participate in debates and answer questions, but not to vote.
 

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Surely far better to have public accountability and televised reports of the senior civil servants and heads of all the "semi"-state bodies. After all these people are in the job until their tax payer funded retirement, and the public has no idea what they look like.
Umm - it might be better if you informed yourself first.

What you describe already happens. Oireachtas Committees (which are public and broadcast online) routinely receive evidence in oral hearings from senior civil servants.
 

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I agree with that.

You could easily have a situation where a Head of Government is elected either directly by the public, or by the Dail as now, but who is not a member of the Oireachtas, and can appoint X number of ministers, none of whom can be members of the Oireachtas - though on appointment I think it would make sense that they would sit ex-officio in the Dail to participate in debates and answer questions, but not to vote.
I think thats what they do in most other countries they come in and appear before the house and answer the questions put to them. Kind of similar in America where Cabinet members appear before house and senate committees to answer questions. We could have a confirmations process but it would probable be easier in a parliamentary system which does not have fixed terms just to let the house vote for the PM then vote on mass on his suggestions for ministerial posts rather then individually confirm them.
 

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Said it before. We should have an executive President who appoints people with the appropriate qualifications to do the job.

Taking people from the Dáil and making them Ministers based on party affiliation, geographic location or any such concern is not doing the country any favours.


These kind of squabbles only serve to make a mockery of good government.
 


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