RTE and the well paid stars.

Eurocitizen

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Pat Kenny really has some nerve.He calls €630,000 peanuts.

The Irish media conducted a campaign against politicians and their earnings and so be it, some may think politicians earn far too much and others may disagree but that is a separate debate.

The money that Pat Kenny and Joe Duffy earn is a national disgrace in the current economic climate; it is time the public say stop.

These overpaid egotistic superstars should hand back a large proportion of their salaries to their employers 'us the taxpaying public.

We're paid peanuts compared to soccer stars, says Pat Kenny - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie
 


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Nearly puked reading that..
The difference between you pat and a soccer player is you are paid mainly from the licence fee
Shows high much they think of themselves
 

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Soccer players in the EPL for example get grossly overpaid. Yet this is the money that operates in this particular market. Soccer players have a skill and the level to which they are skilled determines what they get paid. Very highly skilled players who play in the EPL get paid considerably more than those who are merely highly skilled who play in a division below. Hence the disparity between wages at Chelsea and wages at S************************horpe United or Doncaster Rovers who play in the division below. Yet crowds go to see football in both divisions because the people playing the game are able to do things with a football that those in the crowd can't. It is just that the standard of football is different. What they get paid is what the football clubs decide they should get paid. If I want to contribute to that, I can go to a game and pay my money to see it. What I get back in return is 90 minutes of entertainment. Or not, as the case may be. But it is my choice if I want to pay £50 to see Chelsea play.

The TV licence is a captive charge. Owning a TV creates a legal obligation to pay money to see it. There is no choice involved if you own a TV. So my captive charge goes to pay Kenny and Duffy. And, unlike watching odious oiks like John Terry and Ashley Cole, who I know can do things with a football I can admire and could never possibly achieve myself, I never get the impression from Duffy's moanathons or Kenny's efforts that I couldn't do better myself. Basically they are grossly overpaid public servants who have got into the appalling habit of thinking that they are entitled to what the public unwillingly pays them.
 

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"I often wonder why there isn't the same fuss over the salaries paid to footballers like John O'Shea, earning more in three weeks than Marian Finucane earns in a year."
Nobody has to pay John O'Shea. They choose to. It's time to wind down RTE. What would Kenny be worth in a free market. Or Joe Duffy. They would still be well paid but nothing like what they get now.
 

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RTE's big stars like Kenny and Tubridy are not paid from the licence fee. Their salaries come from the advertising and sponsorship generated by their shows. The more they generate, the more they earn.
 

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RTE's big stars like Kenny and Tubridy are not paid from the licence fee. Their salaries come from the advertising and sponsorship generated by their shows. The more they generate, the more they earn.
Jolly good so! Without the licence fee RTE could not exist and therefore those planks would have to busk on other channels which do not have the benefit of said fee!

It's an Irish thing. :rolleyes:
 

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RTE's big stars like Kenny and Tubridy are not paid from the licence fee. Their salaries come from the advertising and sponsorship generated by their shows. The more they generate, the more they earn.
Really?

Can you point us to a study carried out by RTÉ, linking presenters' pay to the level of advertising and sponsorship generated by the programmes on which they work?

Does such a study exist at all?

And isn't it a bit much to credit presenters with all the ratings success of their shows? There's lots of factors go into it: when the show is broadcast, the skill of the production team, hardworking researchers, smart promotion of the show, etc.

As for the football comparison, footballers tend to have, at best, a little over a decade in terms of earning power. But as Pat Kenny could tell us, if he was honest with us, broadcasters go on a lot, lot longer.
 

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Really?

Can you point us to a study carried out by RTÉ, linking presenters' pay to the level of advertising and sponsorship generated by the programmes on which they work?

Does such a study exist at all?

And isn't it a bit much to credit presenters with all the ratings success of their shows? There's lots of factors go into it: when the show is broadcast, the skill of the production team, hardworking researchers, smart promotion of the show, etc.

As for the football comparison, footballers tend to have, at best, a little over a decade in terms of earning power. But as Pat Kenny could tell us, if he was honest with us, broadcasters go on a lot, lot longer.

A lot longer than their sell-by date, in many cases.
 

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Jolly good so! Without the licence fee RTE could not exist and therefore those planks would have to busk on other channels which do not have the benefit of said fee!

It's an Irish thing. :rolleyes:
It is indeed. The licence fee pays for RTE's public service obligations - news, current affairs, sport, childrens, history, etc.

Advertising, sponsorship, programme sales and other commercial activity generate the rest from where the all the so-called 'stars' earn their money.

AFAIK, during the boom years, RTE earned more from the latter than it did from the licence fee.

Big names like Kenny, Tubridy, Joe Duffy, etc, earn serious money for RTE through advertising - that's why they command the salaries they do.

If Tubridy was to up and leave there would be panic in Montrose because his shows generate so much dosh for the station.

It remains to be seen how the death of Gerry Ryan will effect RTE's revenue - his radio show alone pulled in between €5m and €6m a year in advertising. He was paid around a 10th of that.
 

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It is indeed. The licence fee pays for RTE's public service obligations - news, current affairs, sport, childrens, history, etc.

Advertising, sponsorship, programme sales and other commercial activity generate the rest from where the all the so-called 'stars' earn their money.

AFAIK, during the boom years, RTE earned more from the latter than it did from the licence fee.

Big names like Kenny, Tubridy, Joe Duffy, etc, earn serious money for RTE through advertising - that's why they command the salaries they do.

If Tubridy was to up and leave there would be panic in Montrose because his shows generate so much dosh for the station.

It remains to be seen how the death of Gerry Ryan will effect RTE's revenue - his radio show alone pulled in between €5m and €6m a year in advertising. He was paid around a 10th of that.

If Tubridy did leave, first, where would he go? It would have to be BBC.
And someone would be put into his slots and the shows would go on and the advertising revenue would still be generated.
 

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If Tubridy did leave, first, where would he go? It would have to be BBC.
And someone would be put into his slots and the shows would go on and the advertising revenue would still be generated.
Not necessarily. People like Tubs and watch and listen to his shows. And that audience encourages advertisers to pay top dollar to flag their wares on slots during his shows. There is no guarantee that would continue if he left.

The BBC did sound him out recently before he got the Gerry Ryan slot.

That's the calculation RTE bosses weigh up when they negotiate his salary.

If they were so sure they could pull in the same dosh with someone else then they would have let Gay Byrne go in the 1980s every time he hinted he was off to America - or Gerry Ryan every time he threw a hissy fit come contract negotiations. They didn't.

At present RTE need Kenny, Tubs, Duffy, as much as they need RTE.

Finucane is a different matter - if they axed her Sat & Sun shows in the morning few would actually notice.

The other three can justify their salaries based on listership figures, TV ratings, ad revenue, etc - Finucane simply can't.
 

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Not necessarily. People like Tubs and watch and listen to his shows. And that audience encourages advertisers to pay top dollar to flag their wares on slots during his shows. There is no guarantee that would continue if he left.

The BBC did sound him out recently before he got the Gerry Ryan slot.

That's the calculation RTE bosses weigh up when they negotiate his salary.

If they were so sure they could pull in the same dosh with someone else then they would have let Gay Byrne go in the 1980s every time he hinted he was off to America - or Gerry Ryan every time he threw a hissy fit come contract negotiations. They didn't.

At present RTE need Kenny, Tubs, Duffy, as much as they need RTE.

Finucane is a different matter - if they axed her Sat & Sun shows in the morning few would actually notice.

The other three can justify their salaries based on listership figures, TV ratings, ad revenue, etc - Finucane simply can't.
Where would these stars go? Let them leave and come back with their tails between their legs like George Lee. And Charlie Bird did not like America because he missed Montrose.
 

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Where would these stars go? Let them leave and come back with their tails between their legs like George Lee. And Charlie Bird did not like America because he missed Montrose.
Charlie Bird and George Lee are not cash cows - they are simply journalists with even more inflated egos than is standard in the profession.

They do not generate millions in revenue - Tubridy, Kenny and Duffy do.

Bottom line is RTE stand to lose more if Tubs left than he would lose himself. RTE bosses simply won't take that chance.
 

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Not necessarily. People like Tubs and watch and listen to his shows. And that audience encourages advertisers to pay top dollar to flag their wares on slots during his shows. There is no guarantee that would continue if he left.

The BBC did sound him out recently before he got the Gerry Ryan slot.

That's the calculation RTE bosses weigh up when they negotiate his salary.
To repeat my earlier question, have RTE bosses ever released details of how they make such calculations?
 

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Charlie Bird and George Lee are not cash cows - they are simply journalists with even more inflated egos than is standard in the profession.

They do not generate millions in revenue - Tubridy, Kenny and Duffy do.

Bottom line is RTE stand to lose more if Tubs left than he would lose himself. RTE bosses simply won't take that chance.
Where would these guys go? There is a very small market for their services. And another station would not have the benefit of licence fee to subsidise their salaries.
 

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The likes of Finucane, Kenny and others have some neck. Who do they think they are. Let them all be sacked and re -apply. There are plenty of good interviewers out there as we saw on the replacements for VB show. Would the likes of Finucane, Kenny be grabbed up and head hunted by BBC,ITN , bet they would not. And what would TV3 pay them ? This great little country ?
 

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Nobody has to pay John O'Shea. They choose to. It's time to wind down RTE. What would Kenny be worth in a free market. Or Joe Duffy. They would still be well paid but nothing like what they get now.
How long have the geriatrics been on the RTE gravy train?If they were as good as they think, they would have moved to Britain as O'Shea did. RTE are like the League of Ireland except they pay themselves Man City wages:lol:
 

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The likes of Finucane, Kenny and others have some neck. Who do they think they are. Let them all be sacked and re -apply. There are plenty of good interviewers out there as we saw on the replacements for VB show. Would the likes of Finucane, Kenny be grabbed up and head hunted by BBC,ITN , bet they would not. And what would TV3 pay them ? This great little country ?
You do know the majority of their work is in radio, not Television.

Newstalk, TodayFM, 4FM et el would snap up Tubridy and Kenny in a heartbeat.

As for TV3, they dont produce the kind of programming that would require an anchor like Kenny or Tubridy, in fact they barely produce any television at all beyond the shockingly hamfisted VB show.
 

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A lesson in Economics Mr Pat Kenny

We're paid peanuts compared to soccer stars, says Pat Kenny - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie
Wayne Rooney and Man Utd
Wayne Rooney earns a basic salary of €7.8million a year (€150k a week)
Wayne's world exposed: Court battle will reveal how, at just 24, Manchester United star Rooney's earning power has made him a £35m fortune | Mail Online

If Man Utd Managment decided to half his wages to €3.9million a year, Wayne would would tell them to get lost and would find a new contract with either, Chelsea, Man City, Real Madrid, Barcelona or some other club who would pay him €10 million a year.

Man Utd would now have a real problem trying to replace Rooney and would loose merchandising revenue all over the world.

Compare with Mr Kenny and RTE!

Pat earns a basic salary of €630k a year (used to be €950k)


If RTE Management decided to half his wages to €320 a year, Pat would throw a strop but where is he going to go?? I can't image stations queuing up for his services. He is so wealthy now he probably doesn’t need to get out of bed for less than €600k a year so perhaps he would leave.

RTE should have no problem trying to replace him. There is untapped talent in local radio stations right across the country to whom a salary of €300 would be 4 times their current wage,. Presenters with more personality up their left nostril than Kenny will ever have. But RTE are a conservative organisation unable to take risks. Time for new blood though.

Kenny trying to compare his wages to a footballer is the most vomit inducing story I have ever read on a Sunday morning.
 

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Tubs presents two shows which pull in well in excess of €10m a year for RTE in advertising and sponsorship. He earns around €1m for that now.

Since he took over the LLS he has increased viewers to levels not seen since Gay Byrne's heyday. Advertising is up and Quinn pays more than €500k per year to sponsor the LLS. RTE couldn't even get a sponsor for Kenny's final year on the show.

Time will tell if he will do the same in the Gerry Ryan slot on 2FM but based on his record to date he probably will. Everything the guy touches turns to gold.

Who has more to lose if Tubs leaves Montrose - RTE or Tubs?
 


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