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Ruairi Quinn going to Maggie's funeral. Are the Grandees just taking the piss now?

ShoutingIsLeadership

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I dunno, perhaps they feared that the rescue package they put together to save RBS would have all been in vain if we hadn't of guaranteed the bank debt or they gave it to us post bank guarantee as a sort of thank you for including RBS in the guarantee.
If they hadn't given us the money as a loan, we would have got it elsewhere. So, in effect, although they had an interest in giving us the money, they didn't have to.
 


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I really hate this rhetoric. They did not GIVE us money, they LEANT us money, just like the Germans/EU/IMF. We don't default on the sovereign.
Also there were more British bondholders than German bondholders bailed out by the Brians, a thing FF like us not to know.
 

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Its not a state funeral.

However, you are correct. The optics in this for the governmnet and the Labour party in particular are horredous.

but you know what? Our politicians don't care what we think. They don't care.
Because they know you'll all be out voting them back in in 2 years time.

Ruairi Quinn is actually less socialist than Bertie Ahern. Bertie had that right, in modern ireland, he was comparitively a socialist.

the entire top tier of the labour party is engaged with one thing - their pensions.
They will stamp on the weak, the old, the sick, the young. They will cosy up to whoever is supplying the national debt to pay their wages.
They will gladly stand and commemorate the death of an enemy of the irish people (not the irish state) and the entire trade union movement.
They will gladly sign us all up to austerity hell provided they get their pensions.
It is a state funeral. Its only semantics to pretend it is not.
 
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You suggested that my post needed to be corrected. How could that be interpreted as anything other than a dig at me? Nonetheless, I accept that it wasn't a dig at me.

I didn't add any caveat, by the way; my post stands as stated. If other posters choose to interpret 'gave' as meaning free, then that's their choice.
It is. I was correcting their choice.
 

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I don't know what a Michael O'Leary moment is. :eek:

Is Quinn going dressed as a leprechaun?
Mivhael O'Leary was a careerist chancer who effortlessly climbed to the top of the Labour Party before flouncing back to the Blueshirts in a sulk back in the early 1980's. He is Irish Labour's Ramsay McDonald , he is airbrushed from the history. and don;t ask me who R McD was, or I shall get very cross.
 

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And there I was thinking Old Labour still had some principles.
 

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Money was given to us. We took it and it became debt.
If the Brits gave us €50B, it would not make the sinking of the Belgrano anything but mass murder, or make her support for Pinochet anything but a crime against humanity.

Quinn has no business there.
 

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Mivhael O'Leary was a careerist chancer who effortlessly climbed to the top of the Labour Party before flouncing back to the Blueshirts in a sulk back in the early 1980's. He is Irish Labour's Ramsay McDonald , he is airbrushed from the history. and don;t ask me who R McD was, or I shall get very cross.
Any relation to Ramsay MacDonald?
 

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If the Brits gave us €50B, it would not make the sinking of the Belgrano anything but mass murder, or make her support for Pinochet anything but a crime against humanity.

Quinn has no business there.
If my friend's dad was a murderer, I would go to the man's funeral to show support for my friend. Going to Thatcher's funeral is going to the funeral of a person who was thrice elected Prime Minister of our neighbour - it is not our place to pass comment on the democratic decisions of the British people; that is for them to do.
 

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If my friend's dad was a murderer, I would go to the man's funeral to show support for my friend. Going to Thatcher's funeral is going to the funeral of a person who was thrice elected Prime Minister of our neighbour - it is not our place to pass comment on the democratic decisions of the British people; that is for them to do.
a/ Freinds don't charge interest on loans
b/ What if the mass murderer had killed people in your family
c/ what if people from your friend / loanshark's family wouldn't attend
d/ we are fully entitled to pass comment on a major figure in modern IRISH history - But then again you are on here like a pitbull everytime someone comments on the idiot school teachers that run our own state
 

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I don't believe this, i find it hard to believe that an Irish Labour politician would go to this funeral. Has the Irish Labour party any cop on at all?

Why not send an Irish Tory, someone like Leo, Alan Shatter or Simon.
Please God they won't send big Phil or he'd make a show of us at the buffet, a few cocktail sausages and chicken nuggets wouldn't go far with the Hogmonster!
 

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Sorry, should I have said "one of the greatest cheerleaders for monetarism, privatization, etc."?
Will we argue now that Thatcher was actually a socialist...and then about how many angels can fit on the head of a pin? Will we warp the true meaning of the woman's legacy with idiotic semantics? I suppose this is the place for it...
I have no desire to so do, and anyway, isn't the "Legacy" thread the place for that carry on?
 

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If my friend's dad was a murderer, I would go to the man's funeral to show support for my friend. Going to Thatcher's funeral is going to the funeral of a person who was thrice elected Prime Minister of our neighbour - it is not our place to pass comment on the democratic decisions of the British people; that is for them to do.
I doubt you'd be attending if your friends dad had murdered members of your family.
 


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