• Due to a glitch in the old vBulletin software, some users were "banned" when they tried to change their passwords at the end of February. This does not apply after the site was converted to Xenforo. If you were affected by this, please contact us.




Russian Documentary (translated in to English) about the Eastern Front in WW2

Honecker

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 19, 2012
Messages
4,777
This if a fantastic documentary well worth watching. It tells the story of WW2 largely from a Soviet perspective. It''s very useful as a source as it is free from the anti-Soviet bias of Western historians and who deliberately underplay the significance of the Soviet role in the Allied victory. British historians are particularly guilty of exaggerating the British contribution to the war effort by focusing on things such as the war in North Africa (despite the fact the Germans only deployed a tiny force there) and the Arctic Conveys (this aid was a tiny fraction of what the USSR supplied themselves and a lot of the British aid was of very dubious value).

I think there are 14 parts in total and the first one is linked

[video=youtube;0A6UWkK2U4s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A6UWkK2U4s[/video]
 


DuineEile

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 29, 2010
Messages
14,939
As no one has commented, I should just say I have watched this, and it is very interesting.


D
 

Dame_Enda

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 14, 2011
Messages
53,159
I have seen it all and discovered many new largely unreported things e.g. the undersea cable used by the Germans to fence the Soviet navy inside the Baltic ports. The Soviets repeatedly rammed it but to no avail. Only with the Soviet-Finnish armistic allowing them use Finnish ports were they able to circumvent it.
 

sydney2007

Active member
Joined
Mar 3, 2010
Messages
119
This is a wonderful series. It's been on the Military History Channel (on Sky) a couple of times, and will probably run again soon. As Honecker says, it's from the Soviet point of view, and so is most informative, and there is no British or U.S.A. slant. The only thing that was a bit of a nuisance is that the maps with their place names are all in Russian!(and Russian script too,m so you cant even guess!) So you need to have a good mental image of a map of Eastern Europe in your head. Even when it's on late, I sit up and watch it again. Great episode on Stalingrad, and also on the Fall of Berlin.
 
B

birthday

This if a fantastic documentary well worth watching. It tells the story of WW2 largely from a Soviet perspective. It''s very useful as a source as it is free from the anti-Soviet bias of Western historians and who deliberately underplay the significance of the Soviet role in the Allied victory. British historians are particularly guilty of exaggerating the British contribution to the war effort by focusing on things such as the war in North Africa (despite the fact the Germans only deployed a tiny force there) and the Arctic Conveys (this aid was a tiny fraction of what the USSR supplied themselves and a lot of the British aid was of very dubious value).

I think there are 14 parts in total and the first one is linked

[video=youtube;0A6UWkK2U4s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A6UWkK2U4s[/video]
Does it contain much pro-soviet bias?
It would be interesting to see how it covers the Soviet deal with Nazis to split Poland and how Stalin apparently refused to believe intelligence reports that attack was imminent.
Also I wonder does it cover the purges in the Soviet army in the late 30's and how these might have led to the very high casualties suffered in the opening campaign of the Eastern war?
 

Fritzbox

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 9, 2012
Messages
2,613
This if a fantastic documentary well worth watching. It tells the story of WW2 largely from a Soviet perspective. It''s very useful as a source as it is free from the anti-Soviet bias of Western historians and who deliberately underplay the significance of the Soviet role in the Allied victory. British historians are particularly guilty of exaggerating the British contribution to the war effort by focusing on things such as the war in North Africa (despite the fact the Germans only deployed a tiny force there) and the Arctic Conveys (this aid was a tiny fraction of what the USSR supplied themselves and a lot of the British aid was of very dubious value).
how can it be from a Soviet perspective - the documentary was obviously made many years after the end of the Soviet Union. Some historian you are...:roll:
 

Dame_Enda

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 14, 2011
Messages
53,159
Does it contain much pro-soviet bias?
It would be interesting to see how it covers the Soviet deal with Nazis to split Poland and how Stalin apparently refused to believe intelligence reports that attack was imminent.
Also I wonder does it cover the purges in the Soviet army in the late 30's and how these might have led to the very high casualties suffered in the opening campaign of the Eastern war?
Not biased really. But it does point out some isolated Soviet successes in the disaster of 1941.
 

petaljam

Moderator
Joined
Nov 23, 2012
Messages
30,831
Thanks for this. I have a son who is fascinated by history, and should be very happy to see this.
 

Zerubbabel

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 3, 2013
Messages
1,963
This if a fantastic documentary well worth watching. It tells the story of WW2 largely from a Soviet perspective. It''s very useful as a source as it is free from the anti-Soviet bias of Western historians and who deliberately underplay the significance of the Soviet role in the Allied victory. British historians are particularly guilty of exaggerating the British contribution to the war effort by focusing on things such as the war in North Africa (despite the fact the Germans only deployed a tiny force there) and the Arctic Conveys (this aid was a tiny fraction of what the USSR supplied themselves and a lot of the British aid was of very dubious value).

I think there are 14 parts in total and the first one is linked
That's for posting this, it's always useful to look at things from another perspective, fair play to you.
 

Telemachus

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 8, 2004
Messages
6,577
Website
en.wikipedia.org
Not one step back comrades kill the facist pigs:evil:
I was reading last week about a 95 year old woman who was reminiscing about being raped for 14 consecutive days in a row in the ruins of berlin by the Bolsheviks. Universal brotherhood and socialism.
 

flavirostris

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 21, 2007
Messages
25,042
No other country on earth could have taken the hammering the USSR got from 41 to 42 and gone on to win. The number of Red Army soldiers taken prisoner during Barbarossa boggles the mind.. in the millions.
 

H.R. Haldeman

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 1, 2008
Messages
4,444
Excellent production - the CGI and reconstructions work really well. And in honesty I'd have been hard pressed to tell you whether it was Russian, German or British. Didn't sense any bias one way or the other.

However, there's a real problem with the scripting and storytelling IMO (I watched the first 4 episodes). There's too much focus on facts and events. By contrast if you read Beevor or watch Laurence Rees you get human stories that illuminate the bigger picture. For sure Beevor spends extensive time on military tactics and explanations of what happened on the battlefield, but in the middle there's always something human to connect with. The story of a desperate general in a bunker or a random act of humanity you can relate to.

The same with Rees. I don't know if anyone remembers in Nazis: A Warning the chilling story about a woman in a German village who was spied on by her neighbours for being a bit odd. Because she cut her hair short and seemed to have too many female visitors. Eventually the Nazi's carted her off as an undesirable. She'd done nothing wrong at all. Her story gave you a pungent sense of the atmosphere of the time. It's real storytelling and something I think this Russian production falls down on.

Speaking of Rees, below is his take on the war in the East: War of the Century. It's ridiculously, ridiculously good. (And the series starts with the line: "The Soviet Union fought and won the biggest war of the 20th Century...." somewhat putting to bed the idea that only Russian eyes can see that truth.)

"War of The Century": 1 of 20 - YouTube
 

General Urko

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 24, 2012
Messages
15,862
The Soviets faced down a massively larger axis force than the other allies did in what they call " the great patriotic war"!
I would call it (the European theatre, as the war for civilization, but ultimately Stallin killed more people than Hitler!
 

flavirostris

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 21, 2007
Messages
25,042
It was literally a fight for the homeland. Hitler was pretty open about what his plans were and they involved creating a vast Germanic empire in Western Russia, ethnically cleansed of Slavs. This would be his "India".

As brutal as the Red Army were in Germany, it was nothing to what Hitler would have done to the Russian people had he won.
 
D

Dylan2010

I found the "coumputer game" reconstructions annoying, its done to death on the Nazi (oops I mean) History Channel, just use original footage. The other problem I fonud was that it was too much of a jumble between particular skirmishes and and the bigger picture and not doing the latter much justice.
 

Seanie Lemass

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 26, 2010
Messages
20,159
Interesting. Of course the war did not begin in 1941. It began in September 1939 when the Nazis and Soviets invaded Poland.
 

Lempo

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 30, 2012
Messages
6,318
Interesting. Of course the war did not begin in 1941. It began in September 1939 when the Nazis and Soviets invaded Poland.
Some would say technically September 3rd when UK and France declared war on Germany, but September 1st is just as good I told.

But from Soviet viewpoint nothing of any importance happened before summer 1941 when they became victims of that cowardly attack. Nothing, I tell you!

And the Americans of course settled it all in that one day in 1944.
 
Last edited:

Seanie Lemass

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 26, 2010
Messages
20,159
Some would say technically September 3rd when UK and France declared war on Germany, but September 1st is just as good I told.
There was the so-called 'phony war' in the west as there were no actual large scale engagements until 1940. Of course the war in the east was far from phony as the Nazis and Red Army set about consumating their pact at the expense of the Pole and Balts.
 

New Threads

Popular Threads

Most Replies

Top