Ryanair To Hire German Based Pilots Through Irish Office

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Interesting read here by Derek Evans at the Irish Times. That way the Airline can continue to circumvent German tax and welfare payments by misclassifying of employees as independent contractors in the UK. The german based Pilots will now be hired by a company in Dublin named Blueskies. This might be incompatible with European Union law but O'Leary thinks its time to tell the EU to f*** off anyway. One has to be surprised though that income tax and welfare payments are even worse in Germany than they are in Dublin.

Ryanair to employ German-based pilots through Dublin firm
 


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Interesting read here by Derek Evans at the Irish Times. That way the Airline can continue to circumvent German tax and welfare payments by misclassifying of employees as independent contractors in the UK. The german based Pilots will now be hired by a company in Dublin named Blueskies. This might be incompatible with European Union law but O'Leary thinks its time to tell the EU to f*** off anyway. One has to be surprised though that income tax and welfare payments are even worse in Germany than they are in Dublin.

Ryanair to employ German-based pilots through Dublin firm
Social dumping via the pretence of self semployed status for the pilots. It's not just the Germans that are finally starting to ask serious questions about Ryanair's employment practices, the Italians, Danes and French are also keeping a close eye on them.
 

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Social dumping via the pretence of self semployed status for the pilots. It's not just the Germans that are finally starting to ask serious questions about Ryanair's employment practices, the Italians, Danes and French are also keeping a close eye on them.
hey, but how are you going to get your tickets to Manchester for 9.99 any other way. Pilots retire at age 60 or sooner, do you want to pay for that? Ryanair isn't.
 

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Another point is that when the German authorities carried out their investigations into these zero hour "self employed" contracts Ryanair released the following statement...

Ryanair hat sich mit den deutschen Steuerbehörden getroffen und zugestimmt, diese bezüglich ihrer Nachforschungen zu einigen Vertragspiloten ("Contractor Pilots") zu unterstützen. Die deutschen Steuerbehörden haben bestätigt, dass die Steuerfahndung nicht gegen Ryanair ermittelt. Ryanair verlangt von all seinen Piloten, sowohl solchen, die direkt angestellt sind, als auch von Vertragspiloten, dass sie sich stets entsprechend ihrer steuerlichen Pflichten verhalten. Sollten die deutschen Behörden weitere Unterstützung benötigen, bieten wir diese gerne an.
rough translation...

Ryanair has met with the german tax authorities and agreed to support them in their investigations against some "contractor pilots" The german tax authorities have confirmed that Ryanair is not accused in this investigations.

Ryanair expect from all their pilots, direct employed or contractors that they pay all their obligated taxes.If the german authorities need more support from Ryanair in that case, Ryanair will support them.
Ryanair set up this arrangement but is trying to pass all the shyte over to the individual pilots who signed up with them.
 

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People are recruited for a lot on industries in many Countries. Why the microscope on Ryanair?
 

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People are recruited for a lot on industries in many Countries. Why the microscope on Ryanair?
Because aviation as particularly mobile industry lends itself to this sort of abuse.
 

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If Ryanair hires its staff in Ireland for work, then they come in under Irish employment legislation.

Same goes for people hired in Norway for offshore work.

I know loads of people hired by Norwegian oil companies that work all over the World.

They get paid in Norway.
 

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Another point is that when the German authorities carried out their investigations into these zero hour "self employed" contracts Ryanair released the following statement...



rough translation...



Ryanair set up this arrangement but is trying to pass all the shyte over to the individual pilots who signed up with them.
they are free to leave and seek employment elsewhere like Michael likes to frame it...
 

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Interesting read here by Derek Evans at the Irish Times. That way the Airline can continue to circumvent German tax and welfare payments by misclassifying of employees as independent contractors in the UK. The german based Pilots will now be hired by a company in Dublin named Blueskies. This might be incompatible with European Union law but O'Leary thinks its time to tell the EU to f*** off anyway. One has to be surprised though that income tax and welfare payments are even worse in Germany than they are in Dublin.

Ryanair to employ German-based pilots through Dublin firm
A nonsesne OP. You are hired in Ireland you are subject to Irish Law.
 

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If Ryanair hires its staff in Ireland for work, then they come in under Irish employment leglislation.

Same goes for people hied in Norway for offshore work.
exactly and I find that not very plausible as we have really high rate for PAYE income tax earners in Ireland. Can't imagine that this is any more attractive to the pilots than being on the German payroll with all it's benefits. might be better for Ryanair though as all the tax obligations are carried by the pilots rather than with the company in Ireland.
 

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they are free to leave and seek employment elsewhere like Michael likes to frame it...
But they are not really....many of these pilots are fresh from flying school, a large proportion of them would be heavily in debt with the fees incurred by their training. They are desperate for their first flying job and for most Ryanair is one of the few available options.
 

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Hope ye feckers won't be leaving the lights on again...
 

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exactly and I find that not very plausible as we have really high rate for PAYE income tax earners in Ireland. Can't imagine that this is any more attractive to the pilots than being on the German payroll with all it's benefits. might be better for Ryanair though as all the tax obligations are carried by the pilots rather than with the company in Ireland.
I think the point is that by being supposedly based in Ireland that these pilots can be classed as "self employed" and so PAYE etc is not the concern of Ryanair.
 

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But they are not really....many of these pilots are fresh from flying school, a large proportion of them would be heavily in debt with the fees incurred by their training. They are desperate for their first flying job and for most Ryanair is one of the few available options.
as you have already said, welcome to the new world of social dumping. Once O'Leary gets his way you can say hi to the new android in the cockpit at your Uber(Ryan)Air flight ...

humans will just be a nuisance in the brand new world of "frictionless" capitalismAI.
 

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as you have already said, welcome to the new world of social dumping. Once O'Leary gets his way you can say hi to the new android in the cockpit at your Uber(Ryan)Air flight ...

humans will just be a nuisance in the brand new world of "frictionless" capitalismAI.
Really, ye think we're just gonna sit back and let that Town Drunk do that?

Thus far shalt thou go, and no further. Mainly because it's a load of 'ol dogsbol*ox.

Roll out the Halifax gibbet.
 

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Really, ye think we're just gonna sit back and let that Town Drunk do that?

Thus far shalt thou go, and no further. Mainly because it's a load of 'ol dogsbol*ox.

Roll out the Halifax gibbet.
Now, now Notachipanoaktree don't lose yer head just now. the bloodbath is going to attract the vultures again. ;D

 

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That's great putting more of the highly paid on the Irish tax system. Better for our revenue and tax receipts. Don't see why the EU could complain about an Irish-registered company giving contracts of employment in Ireland [an EU member] to those based elsewhere within the EU.

Isn't this what the EU is all about - one for all, all for one?
 

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Would that not mean that even though the pilots are hired by an Irish jurisdiction firm that the pilots would pay no tax and national insurance in Ireland as they would declare themselves to be non-dom earners?

After all none of them would be in the country for 180 days and so would therefore be entitled to claim non-dom status? Wouldn't that be the point of Ryanair hiring them as non-dom subcontractors?

If they were German domiciled and hired by a German company they'd have to pay German income tax and national insurance deductions. Looks like it could be a tax avoidance scheme to me.
 


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